this is just too funny for a Friday - maybe we should ask a little closer
to the October 1 deadline - somehow I don't think we'd have half as many
responses - we'll all be working on those last minute proposals !
Have a great weekend
Sandy
--On Friday, September 23, 2005 11:53 AM -0500 Mike McCallister
<xxxxxx@UALR.EDU> wrote:
:-} Oh puhleeze! Me unreasonable? You wanna take this to the street? You
:-} wanna piece of me?
:-}
:-} That old-time attitude of "We have to regulate them for their own good"
:-} abrogates RA's responsibility to teach PI's how to succeed in running
:-} their projects as well as their research. That is not to say we can't
:-} tell them NO, but we can't do it without the attendent "but,." "No,
:-} dear, not that way, but this way we can accomplish the same thing.
:-}
:-} I'll take you cops on one at a time or in a group.
:-}
:-} Spanky
:-}
:-}
:-}
:-} At 11:23 AM 9/23/2005, Andrew M. Parkerson-Gray wrote:
:-}
:-} Thank you for your voice of reason Charlie!
:-}
:-} Charlie Hathaway wrote:
:-}
:-}
:-} I disagree. Cops exist for a reason. So do we. We generally limit
:-} our justification for enforcement of strict internal submission
:-} deadlines to 2 reasons. The first, long-term protection of the
:-} institution, is a great reason but under-appreciated by researchers.
:-} The second, allowing research administrators to maintain their sanity,
:-} is an OK reason but comes off as whining.
:-}
:-} But there is a third reason that is necessary to justify enforcement:
:-} that there is a direct relationship between lead time and proposal
:-} success. Unfortunately, no one has attempted to prove that. [And of
:-} course it might not be true despite the dreams of grantsmanship
:-} teachers everywhere.] Anyone care to track internal lead-times and
:-} NIH priority scores for a year or two? If done right, it's a JAMA
:-} paper for sure.
:-}
:-} Charlie
:-}
:-}
:-} At 04:59 PM 9/22/2005, you wrote:
:-}
:-}
:-} As my friend Phil says, "I love deadlines, I like the sound they make
:-} as they fly by." If you are enforcing ANYTHING you aren't doing your
:-} job. We aren't cops.
:-}
:-} Spanky
:-}
:-}
:-}
:-} At 03:11 PM 9/22/2005, you wrote:
:-}
:-}
:-} As far as I can determine NOBODY NOWHERE is successful in enforcing
:-} grant submission deadlines incorporating any kind of lead time. It is
:-} one thing to ask for certain lead times, and another thing entirely to
:-} require it and enforce compliance. I put a question around a year ago
:-} (or so) to this discussion list about enforcing lead times. I'd be
:-} happy to send a copy of replies I received to anyone who asks.
:-}
:-} John McCann, M.P.A., Ph.D.
:-} Academic Grants Manager
:-} The Evergreen State College
:-} Olympia, WA 98505
:-} Phone 360-867-6045
:-} Fax 360-867-6745
:-} E-Mail xxxxxx@evergreen.edu
:-}
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