Thank you for your voice of reason Charlie! Charlie Hathaway wrote: > I disagree. Cops exist for a reason. So do we. We generally limit > our justification for enforcement of strict internal submission > deadlines to 2 reasons. The first, long-term protection of the > institution, is a great reason but under-appreciated by researchers. > The second, allowing research administrators to maintain their sanity, > is an OK reason but comes off as whining. > > But there is a third reason that is necessary to justify enforcement: > that there is a direct relationship between lead time and proposal > success. Unfortunately, no one has attempted to prove that. [And > of course it might not be true despite the dreams of grantsmanship > teachers everywhere.] Anyone care to track internal lead-times and > NIH priority scores for a year or two? If done right, it's a JAMA > paper for sure. > > Charlie > > > At 04:59 PM 9/22/2005, you wrote: > >> As my friend Phil says, "I love deadlines, I like the sound they make >> as they fly by." If you are enforcing ANYTHING you aren't doing >> your job. We aren't cops. >> >> Spanky >> >> >> >> At 03:11 PM 9/22/2005, you wrote: >> >>> As far as I can determine NOBODY NOWHERE is successful in enforcing >>> grant submission deadlines incorporating any kind of lead time. It >>> is one thing to ask for certain lead times, and another thing >>> entirely to require it and enforce compliance. I put a question >>> around a year ago (or so) to this discussion list about enforcing >>> lead times. I'd be happy to send a copy of replies I received to >>> anyone who asks. >>> >>> John McCann, M.P.A., Ph.D. >>> Academic Grants Manager >>> The Evergreen State College >>> Olympia, WA 98505 >>> Phone 360-867-6045 >>> Fax 360-867-6745 >>> E-Mail xxxxxx@evergreen.edu >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Research Administration List [ >>> mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG]On <mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG%5DOn> >>> Behalf Of Mike McCallister >>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:18 AM >>> To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG >>> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Lead Time for Your OSP? >>> >>> We laugh at both the idea of a requirement and the wild >>> possibility that faculty will pay attention to it. I'm pleased >>> to get 24 hours, shocked at 36, >>> Spanky >>> >>> At 12:48 PM 9/22/2005, you wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> This is just an informal poll to see how much lead time >>>> your sponsored programs office requires to review a >>>> proposal. We ask for 5 business days to allow for the >>>> proposal load, corrections, major problems, etc. We also >>>> want the final draft, not rough drafts unless we had >>>> arranged to help review and edit those ahead of time. What >>>> does your OSP do? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Andrew >>>> ======================================== >>>> Andrew M. Parkerson-Gray, CRA >>>> Senior Pre-Award Administrator >>>> UAF Office of Sponsored Programs >>>> 909 N. Koyukuk Drive / P.O. Box 757270 >>>> West Ridge Research Building, Suite 212F >>>> Fairbanks, AK 99775-7270 >>>> Phone: (907) 474-1851 >>>> Fax: (907) 474-5444 >>>> E-mail: xxxxxx@uaf.edu >>>> Web: http://www.uaf.edu/osp/ >>>> ======================================== >>>> >>>> ====================================================================== >>>> >>>> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, >>>> including >>>> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are >>>> available >>>> via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org >>>> <http://www.hrinet.org/> (click on "Listserv Lists") >>>> ====================================================================== >>> >>> Mike McCallister, Ph.D. >>> Office of Research and Sponsored Programs >>> University of Arkansas at Little Rock >>> 2801 South University >>> Little Rock, AR 72204-1099 >>> (o) 501-569-8474 The work itself, the >>> pleasure of finding a field >>> (c) 501-590-5609 for my peculiar powers, is >>> my highest reward. >>> (f) 501-371-7614 >>> Sherlock Holmes in Arthur Conan Doyle's The Sign of Four >>> http://www.ualr.edu/orsp/ >>> >>> >>> ====================================================================== >>> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >>> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are >>> available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org >>> <http://www.hrinet.org/> (click on "Listserv Lists") >>> ====================================================================== >>> >>> >>> ====================================================================== >>> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >>> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >>> via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org <http://www.hrinet.org/> >>> (click on "Listserv Lists") >>> ====================================================================== >> >> >> Mike McCallister, Ph.D. >> Office of Research and Sponsored Programs >> University of Arkansas at Little Rock >> 2801 South University >> Little Rock, AR 72204-1099 >> >> (o) 501-569-8474 The work itself, the pleasure of >> finding a field >> (c) 501-590-5609 for my peculiar powers, is my >> highest reward. >> (f) 501-371-7614 Sherlock >> Holmes in Arthur Conan Doyle's /The Sign of Fou//r >> / http://www.ualr.edu/orsp/ >> >> >> >> ====================================================================== >> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >> via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org <http://www.hrinet.org/> >> (click on "Listserv Lists") >> ====================================================================== > > > ====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > ====================================================================== > -- ======================================== Andrew M. 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