That is true ... if your institution is going to "hire" that person on your payroll. If you are going to pay the person through a subaward or subcontract, you cannot have them listed on lines A and B (this is NSF related). See http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/gpg/nsf04_23/2.jsp#IIC2gi and click on the footnote (20) to see: "Only salaries and wages for employees of the proposing organization should be identified on Lines A and B of the proposal budget. Consultants and subawardee salaries and wages should be budgeted on Lines G. 3 and G.5 of the proposal budget, respectively." Then of course, with a Co-PI, they usually have their own budget (they need supplies and travel, etc.) so you have to have a budget for them and let's not forget indirect... We may be a small institution, but I would not allow for another PI to be placed on line A and B unless they worked for us. Thank you! Jeanne V Ware Director, Research Programs and Services New College of Florida http://www.ncf.edu/orps/ Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. -Mark Twain Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense. -Gertrude Stein -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On Behalf Of Janet Holmberg Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:20 AM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Roles on research projects You can add co-PIs from other institutions in FastLane, just depends on your institution's policies. As long as you have their social security number they can be added in FastLane, doesn't matter what institution they are from. -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On Behalf Of Ware, Jeanne Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 6:12 PM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Roles on research projects Terri, I just asked this question (kind of) to NSF on a proposal we sent in a few months ago. Our PI wanted to list someone from another institution as a Co-PI and you cannot do it in Fastlane. Co-PI status is only acceptable from someone from your own institution UNLESS that person submits the IDENTICAL proposal to NSF via Fastlane and each "PI" notes that this is a Collaborative proposal. Unless the person is "key" or a "subcontract," then the PI doesn't really need to refer to anyone else in the proposal, but as we know in the political realm we work in, our PIs scratch each others backs! ... my 2c and cuppa joe... Jeanne Ware New College of Florida -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List on behalf of Terri Hall Sent: Fri 8/26/2005 2:47 PM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Cc: Subject: [RESADM-L] Roles on research projects We have had several discussions about the various roles on research projects, their definitions, and their responsibilities or spending privileges on the projects. Does anyone know if these roles have been defined by the federal government for federal projects? Or is this up to the discretion of the sponsor or university as to who can serve as what, and the duties/privileges each role will have? For example...if one of our investigators wants to include an investigator from another institution on a proposal...that investigator can serve as a: 1. subcontractor/subawardee 2. collaborator 3. consultant 4. senior personnel/key personnel/other significant contributor 5. ? other options? Secondly, we do not currently allow those from other institutions to serve as co-PIs on our projects unless it is a sponsor requirement. But now there's talk of multiple-PI's on projects...yikes! Anyone know of a complete list of research personnel allowed on federal projects? with definitions of roles and who has spending authority or not? I couldn't find anything in the RESADM-L archives...or NCURA...or SRA regarding this. Some university websites provide definitions..but none references a federal source. Are there any? Thanks, Terri Terri M. 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