In previous positions as a Research Administrator/Departmental Manager, I
had problems with Research Assistants/Associates not realizing that they
actually worked for a corporation and were expected to adhere to HR
policies and procedures.  Many in the Research arena still can't remember
that they are no longer students and are considered employees.
I had one Post-Doc tell me that it was none of my business if she didn't
show up for the day or bother calling in.
Sad thing is - the Director of Research agreed!

Scott Cooley

At 01:50 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote:

>How true...I'm with you however, I have been experiencing occasions
>(young researchers) where they're AWOL.
>
>I'm considering drafting a position paper to alter an HR policy and I
>wanted to get some comparative feedback as this may allow me to better
>manage personnel and expenses.
>
>
>Robert Gregory Miller
>Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science
>Div. of Endocrinology, Metabolism and Molecular Science
>Administrative Director/Research Administrator
>xxxxxx@cdrewu.edu
>Office: 323.563.5961
>Fax: 323.563.5966
>
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>From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On
>Behalf Of Carolyn Elliott-Farino
>Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:36 PM
>To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
>Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] RESEARCH ASSISTANTS/ASSOCIATES AS NON EXEMPT
>EMPLOYEES
>
>I'm perplexed. Why is your staff averse to working an 8 hour day??? Is
>it because sometimes they have to work late to get proposals out and
>so they desire comp time? We're flexible - we often work late, on the
>weekend, and/or take work home, but if we need to leave early, come in
>late, or take off during the day for something, we can because we get
>the work done. We easily average a 40 hour week, but it's not always 8
>hours a day - could be 7.5, then 10, then 8, etc. I have never worked
>an exempt position where I expected to arrive at 8 and leave at 5
>every day. Work flow is not that predictable!
>
> >>> xxxxxx@ND.EDU 8/11/2005 3:52:14 PM >>>
>
>No.  Our office is really busy, so it is rare that they ask to leave
>during
>the day. However, on the rare day things are slow, I will tell one
>them
>they can leave somewhat early.  Also, if someone asks a few times to
>leave
>for a good reason concerning their children or for a doctor's
>appointment,
>I of course let them go.
>
>Ellen Rogers  574/631-5488
>Notre Dame
>
>
>At 02:42 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote:
> >Do you have any issues with them not working a full eight hour day?
> >
> >Robert Gregory Miller
> >Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science
> >Div. of Endocrinology, Metabolism and Molecular Science
> >Administrative Director/Research Administrator
> >xxxxxx@cdrewu.edu
> >Office: 323.563.5961
> >Fax: 323.563.5966
> >
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On
> >Behalf Of Ellen Rogers
> >Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:29 PM
> >To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
> >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] RESEARCH ASSISTANTS/ASSOCIATES AS NON EXEMPT
> >EMPLOYEES
> >
> >Not at Notre Dame.  All of our research administrators are exempt.
> >
> >Ellen 574/631-5488
> >
> >
> >At 02:21 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote:
> > >So far your comments are great....you are the "Choir".......what I
> > >really want to know......have any of you classified your research
> > >assistants/associates as Nonexempt employees?
> > >
> > >Thanks...
> > >
> > >Robert Gregory Miller
> > >Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science
> > >Div. of Endocrinology, Metabolism and Molecular Science
> > >Administrative Director/Research Administrator
> > >xxxxxx@cdrewu.edu
> > >Office: 323.563.5961
> > >Fax: 323.563.5966
> > >
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> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On
> > >Behalf Of Deb Birgen
> > >Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:19 PM
> > >To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
> > >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] RESEARCH ASSISTANTS/ASSOCIATES AS NON
>EXEMPT
> > >EMPLOYEES
> > >
> > >Hi Charles -
> > >
> > >It seems that the cart is going before the horse.  First you should
> > >decide
> > >what duties, responsibilities and authorities you want your
>research
> > >assistants to have, then you determine what classification they
> >should
> > >be.
> > >With the responsibility should come the reward.  Those with the
>most
> > >responsibility are less likely to abuse the more flexible aspects
>of
> > >their
> > >classifications.  If you are having employees grumbling about
>having
> > >to work
> > >a regular 8 hour day, it might mean that you have folks not ready
>for
> > >the
> > >responsibility of having an exempt status.
> > >
> > >Good Luck -
> > >
> > >Deb Birgen
> > >206.543.4043
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On
> > >Behalf Of
> > >Robert Miller
> > >Sent: Thursday, 11 Aug 2005 07:21 AM
> > >To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
> > >Subject: [RESADM-L] RESEARCH ASSISTANTS/ASSOCIATES AS NON EXEMPT
> > >EMPLOYEES
> > >
> > >Greetings to all...
> > >
> > >The correct classification of employees is essential to managing
> > >costs, employer compliance, avoiding grievances and lawsuits.
> > >
> > >I've been receiving some grumblings about requiring my research
> > >assistants/associates to work an eight hour day. There seems to be
>an
> > >opinion that because they are currently classified as exempt
> > >employees, they are not required to work a full although they are
> >paid
> > >as such.
> > >
> > >Although I am aware of the work day latitude that the exempt status
> > >carries; I was wondering if any of you classify your research
> > >assistants and associates as non-exempt employees...or in the
> > >alternative, can you offer any strategies (in a research
>environment)
> > >to define the work day as an eight hour day.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Robert
> > >
> > >Robert Gregory Miller
> > >Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science
> > >Div. of Endocrinology, Metabolism and Molecular Science
> > >Administrative Director/Research Administrator
> > >xxxxxx@cdrewu.edu
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> > >Fax: 323.563.5966
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