In previous positions as a Research Administrator/Departmental Manager, I had problems with Research Assistants/Associates not realizing that they actually worked for a corporation and were expected to adhere to HR policies and procedures. Many in the Research arena still can't remember that they are no longer students and are considered employees. I had one Post-Doc tell me that it was none of my business if she didn't show up for the day or bother calling in. Sad thing is - the Director of Research agreed! Scott Cooley At 01:50 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote: >How true...I'm with you however, I have been experiencing occasions >(young researchers) where they're AWOL. > >I'm considering drafting a position paper to alter an HR policy and I >wanted to get some comparative feedback as this may allow me to better >manage personnel and expenses. > > >Robert Gregory Miller >Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science >Div. of Endocrinology, Metabolism and Molecular Science >Administrative Director/Research Administrator >xxxxxx@cdrewu.edu >Office: 323.563.5961 >Fax: 323.563.5966 > > >Notice of Confidentiality > >This message contains information that may be confidential or >privileged. > >It is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee or any person >entitled to receive it. If you received this message in error, >please inform the author as soon as possible, do not disclose its >contents and delete it from your system > >-----Original Message----- >From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On >Behalf Of Carolyn Elliott-Farino >Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:36 PM >To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] RESEARCH ASSISTANTS/ASSOCIATES AS NON EXEMPT >EMPLOYEES > >I'm perplexed. Why is your staff averse to working an 8 hour day??? Is >it because sometimes they have to work late to get proposals out and >so they desire comp time? We're flexible - we often work late, on the >weekend, and/or take work home, but if we need to leave early, come in >late, or take off during the day for something, we can because we get >the work done. We easily average a 40 hour week, but it's not always 8 >hours a day - could be 7.5, then 10, then 8, etc. I have never worked >an exempt position where I expected to arrive at 8 and leave at 5 >every day. Work flow is not that predictable! > > >>> xxxxxx@ND.EDU 8/11/2005 3:52:14 PM >>> > >No. Our office is really busy, so it is rare that they ask to leave >during >the day. However, on the rare day things are slow, I will tell one >them >they can leave somewhat early. Also, if someone asks a few times to >leave >for a good reason concerning their children or for a doctor's >appointment, >I of course let them go. > >Ellen Rogers 574/631-5488 >Notre Dame > > >At 02:42 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote: > >Do you have any issues with them not working a full eight hour day? > > > >Robert Gregory Miller > >Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science > >Div. of Endocrinology, Metabolism and Molecular Science > >Administrative Director/Research Administrator > >xxxxxx@cdrewu.edu > >Office: 323.563.5961 > >Fax: 323.563.5966 > > > > > >Notice of Confidentiality > > > >This message contains information that may be confidential or > >privileged. > > > >It is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee or any person > >entitled to receive it. If you received this message in error, > >please inform the author as soon as possible, do not disclose its > >contents and delete it from your system > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On > >Behalf Of Ellen Rogers > >Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:29 PM > >To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG > >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] RESEARCH ASSISTANTS/ASSOCIATES AS NON EXEMPT > >EMPLOYEES > > > >Not at Notre Dame. All of our research administrators are exempt. > > > >Ellen 574/631-5488 > > > > > >At 02:21 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote: > > >So far your comments are great....you are the "Choir".......what I > > >really want to know......have any of you classified your research > > >assistants/associates as Nonexempt employees? > > > > > >Thanks... > > > > > >Robert Gregory Miller > > >Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science > > >Div. of Endocrinology, Metabolism and Molecular Science > > >Administrative Director/Research Administrator > > >xxxxxx@cdrewu.edu > > >Office: 323.563.5961 > > >Fax: 323.563.5966 > > > > > > > > >Notice of Confidentiality > > > > > >This message contains information that may be confidential or > > >privileged. > > > > > >It is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee or any person > > >entitled to receive it. If you received this message in error, > > >please inform the author as soon as possible, do not disclose its > > >contents and delete it from your system > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On > > >Behalf Of Deb Birgen > > >Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 12:19 PM > > >To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG > > >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] RESEARCH ASSISTANTS/ASSOCIATES AS NON >EXEMPT > > >EMPLOYEES > > > > > >Hi Charles - > > > > > >It seems that the cart is going before the horse. First you should > > >decide > > >what duties, responsibilities and authorities you want your >research > > >assistants to have, then you determine what classification they > >should > > >be. > > >With the responsibility should come the reward. Those with the >most > > >responsibility are less likely to abuse the more flexible aspects >of > > >their > > >classifications. If you are having employees grumbling about >having > > >to work > > >a regular 8 hour day, it might mean that you have folks not ready >for > > >the > > >responsibility of having an exempt status. > > > > > >Good Luck - > > > > > >Deb Birgen > > >206.543.4043 > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On > > >Behalf Of > > >Robert Miller > > >Sent: Thursday, 11 Aug 2005 07:21 AM > > >To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG > > >Subject: [RESADM-L] RESEARCH ASSISTANTS/ASSOCIATES AS NON EXEMPT > > >EMPLOYEES > > > > > >Greetings to all... > > > > > >The correct classification of employees is essential to managing > > >costs, employer compliance, avoiding grievances and lawsuits. > > > > > >I've been receiving some grumblings about requiring my research > > >assistants/associates to work an eight hour day. There seems to be >an > > >opinion that because they are currently classified as exempt > > >employees, they are not required to work a full although they are > >paid > > >as such. > > > > > >Although I am aware of the work day latitude that the exempt status > > >carries; I was wondering if any of you classify your research > > >assistants and associates as non-exempt employees...or in the > > >alternative, can you offer any strategies (in a research >environment) > > >to define the work day as an eight hour day. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Robert > > > > > >Robert Gregory Miller > > >Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science > > >Div. of Endocrinology, Metabolism and Molecular Science > > >Administrative Director/Research Administrator > > >xxxxxx@cdrewu.edu > > >Office: 323.563.5961 > > >Fax: 323.563.5966 > > > > > > > > >Notice of Confidentiality > > > > > >This message contains information that may be confidential or > > >privileged. > > > > > >It is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee or any person > > >entitled to receive it. 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