Re: RESADM-L Digest - 2 May 2005 to 3 May 2005 (#2005-87) Eleanor M. Cicinsky 04 May 2005 07:11 EST
I don't understand why grants.gov can't use the NSF -
FASTLANE model. We've all worked with it now for ages and
it's the best. I zip through that system like an Indy 500
race car driver.
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>Subject: RESADM-L Digest - 2 May 2005 to 3 May 2005 (#2005-
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>There are 7 messages totalling 1280 lines in this issue.
>
>Topics of the day:
>
> 1. Let's mobilize to fight electronic proposal submission
SNAFU (4)
> 2. F.I.P.S (2)
> 3. Pre-Award Specialist Position at The College of New
Jersey
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>Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 09:28:19 -0500
>From: Glenn Krell <xxxxxx@IIT.EDU>
>Subject: Re: Let's mobilize to fight electronic proposal
submission SNAFU
>
>Hi again resadmr's, per my original post I was
asking: "Let's discuss what
>kinds of emails, and to which decision-makers in the
government, resadmr's
>should be sending..."
>
>The responses are interesting so far, and so is the
discussion. Thank you
>Steve and others for your posts. I do agree 100% with
several folks: we want
>to be positive and constructive. But again, who are the
decision makers we
>need to reach? to let them know about the serious problems
some of us are
>having, and to offer our constructive feedback?
>-Glenn
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Research Administration List [mailto:RESADM-
xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG]On Behalf
>Of Shapiro, Steve
>Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 4:27 PM
>To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
>Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Let's mobilize to fight electronic
proposal
>submission SNAFU
>
>
>There is a lot of misconception, rumors and inaccuracies
concerning
>grants.gov out there.
>
>Personally, as an IT professional supporting a research
office, I think
>it is a major SNAFU.
>
>I've also learned a little bit about what is going on
inside grants.gov
>offices, and believe that the people there are doing the
best they can
>with the situation they are in.
>
>That said, I feel obligated to point out that protests set
up an
>adversarial situation. Simply pointing out that something
is a SNAFU and
>not offering to help improve it and invest some effort is
a 'cop-out.'
>
>I've explained the particular points that give me concern
with
>Grants.gov personnel, and offered possible solutions. From
my
>perspective, NSF has created the 'gold standard' of online
proposal
>submission and award management systems. I have been vocal
in suggesting
>that grants.gov move toward a system that is more like NSF.
>
>I also understand that the people at grants.gov are dealing
with
>(currently) 26 different agencies. Some of these agencies
do not have
>any online grant capabilities at all, in addition to their
cultures
>being very different. There is not going to be an easy
solution to this
>problem, and it probably will get worse before it gets
better.
>
>When making a complaint to grants.gov, let's be specific
about what we
>like and what we don't like. If we perceive that it's going
to increase
>our administrative burden, be specific about which facets
will cause
>problems.
>
>(As an example, when using the PureEdge software, the user
must re-enter
>standard data-elements - such as their name - by hand
typing it into
>each application. This increases the amount of time
necessary to submit
>each application by over 1 hour per application. Now that
they are aware
>of the problem, a solution is being worked on and is
expected in the
>next release of PureEdge Viewer).
>
>Their ability to manage grant submissions, and our ability
to submit
>grants will be built on collaboration, not divisiveness.
Be loud, be
>vocal - and be part of the solution.
>
>Steve Shapiro
>Office of Research Services and Administration
>University of Oregon
>5219 University of Oregon
>Eugene, OR 97403
>
>o) 541-346-0720
>f) 541-346-5138
>main) 541-346-5131
>
>xxxxxx@orsa.uoregon.edu
>
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>Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:43:03 -0400
>From: "Landorf,Kenneth R." <xxxxxx@ADP.UCHC.EDU>
>Subject: Re: Let's mobilize to fight electronic proposal
submission SNAFU
>
>Forgive the naivete, but isn't there a meeting scheduled
soon of the FDP
>group? That sounds like it would be a fine place to start
this
>discussion w/ some of the folks on the Government side of
the house.
>
>If this is a verboten issue, please accept my apologies
upfront.
>
>Ken Landorf
>UConn Health Center
>Farmington, CT 06030
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Research Administration List [mailto:RESADM-
xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On
>Behalf Of Glenn Krell
>Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:28 AM
>To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
>Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Let's mobilize to fight electronic
proposal
>submission SNAFU
>
>Hi again resadmr's, per my original post I was
asking: "Let's discuss
>what
>kinds of emails, and to which decision-makers in the
government,
>resadmr's
>should be sending..."
>
>The responses are interesting so far, and so is the
discussion. Thank
>you
>Steve and others for your posts. I do agree 100% with
several folks: we
>want
>to be positive and constructive. But again, who are the
decision makers
>we
>need to reach? to let them know about the serious problems
some of us
>are
>having, and to offer our constructive feedback?
>-Glenn
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>Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:37:14 -0400
>From: Robert Beattie <xxxxxx@UMICH.EDU>
>Subject: Re: Let's mobilize to fight electronic proposal
submission SNAFU
>
>I was not keeping close count but it did seem that most of
the comments
>on G.g came from folks at institutions not in FDP. Do note
there there
>were only 6 messages so is this not really a wide-spread
problem or
>have people at only a few places had problems.
>
>Anyway, I mention FDP because the that group has been
involved with
>Grants.gov since its inception. The FDP's Committee on ERA
has been
>closely involved. Some were in on the original testing and
even have
>attended development meetings. Even with the input of FDP,
we are at
>the point we are today. Ken's comment below is well taken;
but note
>this would not be "a start of this discussion." This
discussion has
>been going on since at least 2000. Go here for minutes of
all those
>meetings
>http://thefdp.org/Meetings.html
>
>Steve Dowdy (xxxxxx@mit.edu) is the chair of the FDP ERA
committee and
>I think he would welcome comments from members of this
group on their
>experiences with Grants.gov.
>
>There will be two sessions that I see on the agenda dealing
with
>Grants.gov. The director of the project will be speaking
at the second
>one. The agenda of the May meeting can be found here
>http://thefdp.org/Meeting_May2005.html#P57_3559
>
>Perhaps between now and the May meeting, specific problems
can be
>stated here. Not vague comments like "I was told..." or
this or that
>may be happening. What are the specific problems people
have had? We
>can produce a list which can be given to the Grants.gov
director prior
>to the meeting with a request for comments. By the way, I
listened to
>the last G.g webcast and heard no problems stated.
>
>We need not ask that all agencies just adopt FastLane as
that is not a
>viable solution for agencies that already have their own
internal
>systems. Moreover do you really want a web based system to
which you
>give your data and then have to re-enter into your local
proposal and
>award management system? The Grants.gov System to System
solution,
>with html or other data transfer, should be better. I
think most
>universities, at least, want electronic internal proposal
development,
>routing, approval, and archiving systems. These systems
will create
>the data streams that go to Grants.gov. Thus you create
the data
>locally, keep the data, and send it to the agency. Do
folks at some
>institutions want to keep using paper applications?
>
>So, within the context of the short term Pure Edge solution
and the
>long term S2S approach, what are the specific problems that
you think
>Grants.gov staff have not solved? With answers to such
problems in
>hand, a better way to address the problems can be reached.
>
>Bob
>__________________________________
>Robert Beattie
>Managing Project Representative
> for Electronic Research Administration
>Division of Research Development and Administration
>University of Michigan
>3003 S. State Street Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1274
>office: 734 936-1283 mobile: 734 717-6281
>xxxxxx@umich.edu
>
>
>On May 3, 2005, at 10:43 AM, Landorf,Kenneth R. wrote:
>
>Forgive the naivete, but isn't there a meeting scheduled
soon of the FDP
>group? That sounds like it would be a fine place to start
this
>discussion w/ some of the folks on the Government side of
the house.
>
>If this is a verboten issue, please accept my apologies
upfront.
>
>Ken Landorf
>UConn Health Center
>Farmington, CT 06030
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Research Administration List [mailto:RESADM-
xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On
>Behalf Of Glenn Krell
>Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:28 AM
>To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
>Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Let's mobilize to fight electronic
proposal
>submission SNAFU
>
>Hi again resadmr's, per my original post I was
asking: "Let's discuss
>what
>kinds of emails, and to which decision-makers in the
government,
>resadmr's
>should be sending..."
>
>The responses are interesting so far, and so is the
discussion. Thank
>you
>Steve and others for your posts. I do agree 100% with
several folks: we
>want
>to be positive and constructive. But again, who are the
decision makers
>we
>need to reach? to let them know about the serious problems
some of us
>are
>having, and to offer our constructive feedback?
>-Glenn
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>Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 10:51:03 -0500
>From: "Harris, Sharon Y." <xxxxxx@BSU.EDU>
>Subject: F.I.P.S
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