The subcontractor should negotiate their rate with your institution as the prime. That is the way we have been treated. THANKS -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On Behalf Of Lauren G. Oshana Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:08 PM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] setting an F&A rate On a somewhat related issue. How do you handle subcontracts to for-profits who quote an indirect rate in their budget, but have no federally negotiated rate agreement? I am inclined to tell them to back it out? Lauren G. Oshana Associate Director Research Services University of Pennsylvania P221 Franklin Bldg. 3451 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-6205 215.573.6710 (ph) 215.898.9708 (fx) URL: http://www.upenn.edu/researchservices/ -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On Behalf Of Anne Habel Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 3:32 PM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] setting an F&A rate Bill: I have discussed this issue with Bob Aaronson from the New York Office of DHHS. DHHS will not negotiate a rate until the entity has a federal grant directly funded to them. We are a non-profit agency that receives funding from a federal grant but are not directly funded. Per the regulations the agency that is directly funded should negotiate our rate (the feds may offer assistance). In addition, there is no requirement that we receive our full overhead rate. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Michael Fish [mailto:xxxxxx@CALPOLY.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 2:05 PM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] setting an F&A rate Bill, NSF has a format for calculating IDC for organizations without a negotiated rate: http://www.nsf.gov/bfa/dias/caar/indirect.jsp Regards, Michael Fish Director, Grants Development Office California Polytechnic State University San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 (805) 756-2982 xxxxxx@calpoly.edu -----Original Message----- From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On Behalf Of Bill Campbell Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 12:01 PM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Subject: [RESADM-L] setting an F&A rate RESADMers-- I'm on the board of a non-profit that is in process of pursuing grants from federal agencies. We have never had an IDC or F&A rate; I think it's time to establish one, but I don't know how to go about it. Can anyone give me some guidance? I know there have been conversations about this on the list in the past, but I can't find the thread in the archive. I've browsed around the HHS site a little and it's very confusing. Some NIH sites say 'don't apply for a rate until you get a grant,' but we're looking at other agencies. But those other agencies refer non-profits to HHS for F&A rates. I know that there is now a simple algorithm small universities can use to determine an F&A rate to propose; is there something similar for non-profits? Is this something the average bozo like me can do, or do we have to hire a consultant? 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