Carole,

You are correct.  Sometimes the second PI will be a department head or
lab director to satisfy the conflict of interest implications of the
original PI representing both organizations.

john

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From: Research Administration List on behalf of Carol Sprague
Sent: Wed 12/8/2004 10:46 AM
To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Need advice for paying people under a jointly
fund ed institute

Thank you for your information.  Can you tell me, if you subcontracted
some of the work from the University to the hospital, who was PI at the
University and who was PI at the hospital?  I'm assuming two different
people but want to make sure.  Thanks Again.

Burnside, Sherry wrote:

>We are a private hospital affiliated with a university.  We are two
separate
>legal entities.
>
>The faculty are university employees who are contracted to work at the
>hospital research institution.  All grants are submitted through the
>university.  For grant submissions we leave the PI salary/fringes at
the
>university utilizing their off campus F&A rate. Because they are paid
by the
>university they are considered university PIs. For the part of the
grant
>involving the hospital research institution staff and facilities we
>subcontract with the university, this can be a significant portion of
the
>grant.  The hospital supports the funding shortfalls. The hospital and
the
>university are cited in all publications and PR.
>
> One of our faculty does have a dual VA, and university appointment
while
>being credentialed to practice at the hospital.  For grants purposes
his
>base salary is the university salary for grants submitted via the
>university.
>
>It has worked for eleven years very successfully.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On
Behalf Of
>Carol Sprague
>Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:59 AM
>To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
>Subject: [RESADM-L] Need advice for paying people under a jointly
funded
>institute
>
>Here is the background:  Our University, along with a private hospital,
>have agreed to jointly fund a research institute until they can become
>mostly self sufficient by the projects they bring in.  We anticipate
>they will never really be fully self sufficient.   Expenditures
>including rent are kept track of and at the end of the year, we settle
>up so that both institutions share the expense equally.  Most of the
>grants for Institute Research are sent through UMass because we really
>have a better infrastructure to handle sponsored research.  The
>University has approved adjunct appointments to some of the people
>working out of the Institute who are hospital employees to make the
>eligible to be UMass PI's on their projects.  Now comes the problem.
>How do we pay them?  I say we can't subcontract back to the hospital
>because you can't have one person serve at two institutions as PI
>because this would be a conflict of interest.  If we pay them through
>UMass, they now have two appointments which can really cause a problem
>with their retirement benefits, health care, etc.    Is there anyone
out
>there with words of wisdom on this subject or who has had a similar
>relationship?  Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
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>Office of Grant & Contract Admin
>Research Administration Building
>70 Butterfield Terrace
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