We are in the process of upgrading our ERA system to work with the system-to-system option of Grants.gov. Does anyone have any experiences or suggestions as to the best way to proceed? Thanks, ________________________________ Kris Falcon Louisiana State University Office of Sponsored Programs 330 Thomas Boyd Hall Baton Rouge, LA 70803 Phone: (225) 578-1168 Email: xxxxxx@lsu.edu Web: http://www.lsu.edu/osp ________________________________ Robert Beattie <xxxxxx@UMICH.ED To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG U> cc: (bcc: Kris Falcon/kfalcon/LSU) Sent by: Research Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] rants.gov Administration List <xxxxxx@HRINET. ORG> 10/26/2004 11:03 AM Please respond to Research Administration Discussion List Federal agencies keep a data base of their grant information. At present they must enter information into their system. Most university grants offices likewise keep a data base of their grant information and make entries. Most PI's or their staff enter information into agency application forms and probably on a university routing and approval form. The university grants offices enter the same information into their grants system. The federal agencies' staff enter the same information into their grants system. Quite a bit of redundancy. So, how to resolve this? Federal agencies would like the data be entered at the source of the data -- the PI's or their staff or the university grants office. So agencies will have a strong incentive to develop and promote, and soon require, applicants to use the agency system. There are other advantages to them too, such as making reviews easier. NSF was the first agency to follow this path. How long was the time interval between the unveiling of the optional FastLane until it was made mandatory? That might be an indicator of the time we have until Grants.gov is mandatory. The current Grants.gov with its half (or at best three quarters) functional Pure Edge system for individual use is but a stop gap measure for large institutions. It will remain for small institutions or large ones even, who submit but a few applications a year. Keep in mind that Grants.gov is for the entire grants giving enterprise of the federal government -- states, local governments, school districts, Indian tribes, and universities (who get only a small fraction of that grants dollar volume). The solution for universities is not the Pure Edge, person to system approach, nor perhaps the NIH Commons current vendor offerings, but the forthcoming Grants.gov System to System (S2S) option. This involves universities creating their own internal proposal creation, routing, approval, archiving, and submitting system. This internal system will then route applications to the Grants.gov system which, in turn, will forward them to the proper agency system. Thus we a single data entry for both the university grants office and the federal agency. Unlike FastLane this system will not be user to web and so universities will need to buy or build systems that will create a continuous stream of data from PI to Federal Agency. Along the way, the grants office can pick off the data it needs. So do not put much effort into mastering the person to system current version of Grants.gov or the NIH Commons but be working toward the larger, campus-wide grants management system that replaces the paper-based routing and approvals you now do, with its multiple points of data entry, making extra copies and federal express shipping. Once in place, such a campus system should provide savings and give expediency for the grants environment. The same will happen for the agencies too, so we cannot fault them too much for working toward this. Complain about, fight, or avoid the federal agencies movement in this direction but be grateful that some institutions such as the FDP are trying to make this transition as easy possible and are keeping the agencies aware of the special needs of universities. Keep a vigil on what is happening, look to the examples of the University of Minnesota and MIT who have created such systems, and some others that are in the midst creating the necessary systems, and find out what vendors can offer what help. The next few years will hold some turmoil in the grants submission area but once new systems are in place, the process should be better than now. For this to happen we need to have a single federal system with standards that seldom change. Let's hope Grants.gov S2S will be that system. Bob xxxxxx@umich.edu On Oct 26, 2004, at 11:01 AM, Jean M. Murphy wrote: Charlie, Excellent questions! I am also worried that we are not doing enough and will face extinction if we don't act soon. But, do we really need to act now to submit through Grants.gov? If so, how do I convince the PI's and the administration that we need to invest now? Jean Charlie Hathaway writes: > When John said "the rush to electronic proposal submission" I decided > it > was time to ask a question: what is driving this rush? > > For years now I have heard people talking about the eRA future and the > plans they are making. I am intimidated by all the descriptions of > institutional electronic infrastructure building and feel that, in > comparison, my institution is doing very little. We get a big bunch of > money from NIH each year using Fed-Ex to send applications. We get a > little bit of money from NSF using Fastlane. Our PIs are beginning to > use NIH Commons. But we tend not to change unless agency practices > change, and there is an impetus to change. Is this a Darwinian issue? > Will we one day wake up to dark skies, the inability to submit our > proposals, and the end of nutritional cash flow? Can I convince my > administration that extinction looms unless we buy a big software > package > and start negotiating with an eRA vendor? Jean M. 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