Right, on both points. Unmentioned in the earlier discussion, is that previous to this we have had no rank that recognizes Post Doctoral Employees. True "fellows", i.e., holders of fellowships, are not employees, and we have a reasonable way to handle them, and the grants supporting them pay health care. But Post Docs who are in an employer-employee relationship, nada. Numerous methods of paying them are in place, without consistency, and none of them provide for reasonable benefits, including health care benefits, because they do not fall into neither the civil service nor the faculty categories, the only ones we have that have health and other employee benefits. Post docs are the backbone of a major research effort, but this institution has a difficult time recruiting them because we treat them as non-citizens, and as slave laborers. The new classification series includes a category of Post-Doctoral Research Associate (expressly differentiated from "fellows"), employees. So far, no one has noticed this, at least to the extent of remarking on it. It is my quiet contribution to maturing VCU's research program. Chuck At 05:13 PM 4/13/2004, you wrote: >And, Chuck, I think even your "research faculty" soft-money-funded positions >will likely be subject to departmental or research center criteria on pay >rate. The differential between them and regular faculty can't be too great >or you'll have complaints from both directions. > >As for CSU, that arrangement is likely a good one, but, I believe that Cal >State faculty are hired ONLY to teach and that research is NOT a part of >those instructional responsibilities. Consequently, for them, research >becomes an additional obligation, which must be compensated. > >Kim > >-----Original Message----- >From: Herbert B. Chermside [mailto:xxxxxx@VCU.EDU] >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 12:10 PM >To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Research Base Salary > > >YES -- BUT.... >This is not a temporary increase for an individual just because he brings >in soft money,but a category of individuals who get funding under grants, >etc., and in return for the possibility of greater salaries give up tenure. > >VCU is in the process of establishing newly a series of "research faculty" >positions, for fully soft-money individuals, who may get higher raises if >there is funding, but are excluded from tenure. In operation, these >positions will respond somewhat to market forces: higher pay for lower >stability, but no higher than the market will bear. > >This is a reasonable category of personnel for a research institution to >have in these days of seemingly arbitrary external control of teaching >faculty salaries with no recognition that teaching and research faculty are >different markets. And this specialized market is only for the 100% soft >money position! > >Chuck > > > >At 02:04 PM 4/13/2004, you wrote: > >The California State University system provides for a salary > >differential for a grant-related/specially-funded faculty > >classification. See http://www.calstate.edu/HRAdm/pdf2004/HR2004-07.pdf > >for details. > >You may also be interested in the systemwide additional employment > >policy http://www.calstate.edu/HRAdm/pdf2002/HR2002-05.pdf . At most of > >the 23 CSUs, grants and contracts are managed by an auxiliary > >foundation, so faculty added compensation and summer salary (but not > >released time) are paid by the foundation, not the university. > >Michael Fish > >Director, Grants Development Office > >California Polytechnic State University > >San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 > >(805) 756-2982 > >xxxxxx@calpoly.edu > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: hcherm [mailto:xxxxxx@VCU.EDU] > >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:09 AM > >To: RESADM-L > >Cc: hcherm > >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Research Base Salary > > > > > >Fine -- until the end of the discretionary funds, and then it becomes > >pretty obvious that the "raise" was not regular or permanent. And the > >grant auditors would smell a rat. > > > >Now if he can continue getting discretionary funds and NOT have to > >reduce > >salary, that would be OK. Of course, you would want to track the cost > >sharing that resulted when he worked the same % for each grant for the > >same > >dollars, which were now a smaller % of total. > > > >Chuck > > > > > > > > > >At 11:53 AM 4/13/2004, you wrote: > > >How about this scenario: Faculty member is supported 80% by funded > >grants > > >(NIH, foundations, etc...) and contractually 20% by the institution for > > >academic advisement, administrative functions, etc... The faculty member > > >receives discretionary funding and requests a salary increase to be > > >supported by these discretionary funds. Their effort remains the same > >on > > >the restricted activities. They see this as an incentive for > >themselves > > >because they've been successful in bringing in sponsored grants. Once > >the > > >discretionary funds are exhausted, the salary is adjusted back down. > > > > > >Any thoughts to this? Does any one have a policy that addresses this? > > >Thanks > > >Vinnie > > > > > >Vincent L. Grassia, Jr. > > >Vice President for Research > > >Hospital for Special Surgery > > >535 East 70th Street > > >New York, NY 10021 > > >tel 212.774.2261 > > >fax 212.717.1192 > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG] On > >Behalf > > >Of Jennifer Morgan > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:28 AM > > >To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG > > >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Research Base Salary > > > > > >The nifty new NIH Grants Policy Statement defines institutional base > > >salary as: > > > > > >"The annual compensation paid by an organization for an empoyee's > > >appointment, whether that individual's time is spent on research, > > >teaching, patient care, or other activities. Base salary excludes any > > >income that an individual is permitted to earn outside of duties for > >the > > >applicant/grantee organization. Base salary may not be increased as a > > >result of replacing organization salary funds with NIH grant funds." > > >So, it doesn't appear that this would work with anyone paid by NIH as > >it > > >would include everything paid by the university despite the activity. > > > > > > > > > > > >Jennifer Morgan, MHA > > >Vice Chair for Research Administration > > >Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science > > >Medical University of South Carolina > > >67 President Street, Suite 504 > > >Charleston, South Carolina 29425 > > > > > >voice: 843-792-0191 > > >fax: 843-792-0048 > > >email: <mailto:xxxxxx@musc.edu>xxxxxx@musc.edu > > > > > > >>> xxxxxx@UALR.EDU 04/12/04 05:43PM >>> > > >This sounds like faculty fantasy to me. And wouldn't you know they'd > > >fantasize about money? > > > > > >Spanky > > > > > > > > >At 04:38 PM 4/12/2004, you wrote: > > >>Hello Colleagues, > > >>We've learned of an arrangement made by another institution whereby a > > >>tenure-track faculty member may request a "research base salary" to be > > >>used as a salary base for grant pay. Apparently the faculty person > > >>determines his/her "market value" and establishes a new job at the > > >>university with that salary base (it is a written institutional policy > > >>that this is acceptable and the new job goes through HR). If s/he is > > >>paid from a grant, the rate of pay used to pay the faculty person from > > >>the grant is based on the research base, not their Academic Year > > >>salary. > > >> > > >>This university has been advised by their external auditor that they > > >>believe it would pass federal audit since the grants are charged based > > >>on a separate job from their institutional salary. > > >> > > >> I'm finding it hard to believe this would pass federal audit but > >have > > >>been wrong before. I would love to hear your two cents. > > >> > > >>Thanks in advance, > > >> > > >>Kim Chanley > > >> > > >> > > >>Kimberly Chanley > > >>Manager > > >>Sponsored Projects Accounting > > >>Boise State University > > >>208.426.1791 > > >> > > >> > > >>====================================================================== > > >> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > > >> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > > >> via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv > >Lists") > > >>====================================================================== > > > > > >Mike McCallister, Ph.D. > > >Office of Research and Sponsored Programs > > >University of Arkansas at Little Rock > > >2801 South University > > >Little Rock, AR 72204-1099 > > > > > >(o) 501-569-8474 > > >(c) 501-590-5609 > > >(f) 501-371-7614 > > >http://www.ualr.edu/orsp/ > > > > > >"Change is inevitable...except from a vending machine." > > >anon > > > > > >====================================================================== > > >Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > > >subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > >via > > >our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > > >====================================================================== > > > > > >====================================================================== > > >Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > > >subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > >via > > >our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > > >================================================== > > > > > >====================================================================== > > >Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > > >subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > >via > > >our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > > >====================================================================== > > >==================== > > > >Herbert B. Chermside, CRA > >Virginia Commonwealth University > >PO BOX 980568 > >Richmond, VA 23298-0568 > >Voice: 804-827-6036 > >Fax 804-828-2051 > >e-mail xxxxxx@vcu.edu > > > > > >====================================================================== > > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > >====================================================================== > > > > > > > >====================================================================== > > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > >====================================================================== > >Herbert B. 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