But even Mr. Patton and Herr Rommel had to go to "soldier school" at
one time of their career.  And I have a feeling that Rommel even had
to attend several workshops on how to be a good little National
Socialist.

Charlie may have a point, though.  On the job training is perhaps more
effective than a formal education when it comes to grant
administration.  That's my gut feeling.  So, maybe the focus should be
on offering to graduate students in administrative disciplines the
option of focusing on grant administrative aspects.  Or what about
internships?  independent studies?

Just a few thought.

Cheers,
Stephan

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:16:47 -0400
 Charlie Hathaway <xxxxxx@AECOM.YU.EDU> wrote:
>Kris' comments left me thinking that creating a masters level program
>may sound good, and follow the pattern of numerous disciplines, but
>may be more feel good than do good.  What are the goals?  Increase
>the talent pool?  Make research administration work better?  Or...use
>a degree to attract and retain people?  Use the facade of a degree as
>yet another substitute for competence?
>
>Has the MEd improved teaching?  Have most good journalists gone to
>journalism school?  Do musicians get master's degrees in performance
>so they can play better?
>
>When grant deadlines roll around, I think I would prefer to have an
>office with more Pattons and Rommels than Freuds and Einsteins.
>
>Charlie Hathaway
>
>
>At 07:05 PM 10/16/03 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hi Carolyn - I'll be at SRA this year, will I by chance see you
>>there?
>>
>>I am unaware of any Master's Degrees that have a significant focus on
>>sponsored projects administration. Higher education administration is
>>probably the closest customizable degree to fit the activities
>>associated with leadership in sponsored projects administration.
>> Public
>>administration is probably the next best fit.
>>
>>SRA has discussed options for the collaborative development of such a
>>program, but I don't think significant progress has been made on
>>program
>>creation.   There are training programs to assist individuals in
>>mastering the skills associated with sponsored projects
>>administration,
>>SRA has the Department Administrator certification and passage of the
>>CRA (Certified Research Administrator) exam is one measure of
>>expertise
>>in the field.  NCURA has the SPA II and FRA session which tend to
>>focus
>>on advanced topics in the field.  There are also a couple for-profit
>>organization that also provide training.
>>
>>Being a CRA I'm biased, but I think the CRA is probably the best
>>testament to skill in the field at this time, the next best would be
>>an
>>individual's experiences.
>>
>>Hope all is well in Texas!
>>
>>Kris
>>
>>__________________________________________
>>Kris E. Rhodes, MS CRA
>>Associate Director
>>Office of Sponsored Programs
>>University of Kentucky
>>213 Kinkead Hall
>>Lexington, KY 40506
>>Phone:  859-257-4826; Fax 859-323-1060
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Carolyn Pate [mailto:xxxxxx@TXSTATE.EDU]
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:18 PM
>>To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
>>Subject: [RESADM-L] Master's Degree in Sponsored Programs
>>
>>
>>I know there has been discussion at SRA regarding the development of
>>a
>>master's degree program in Sponsored Programs Administration. I've
>>also
>>heard discussion of developing an emphasis on sponsored programs
>>administration as part of an already-existing master's program in
>>Public
>>Administration.  Do any of you know of any such programs anywhere in
>>the
>>country?  And if so, do you know any of the details?  Thanks.
>>
>>
>>Carolyn Pate, Director
>>Office of Sponsored Programs
>>J. C. Kellam Bldg., Suite 489
>>Texas State University-San Marcos
>>601 University Drive
>>San Marcos, TX 78666-4616
>>512-245-2314
>>512-245-3847 (fax)
>>
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Indiana University of Pennsylvania
Office of Grants & Sponsored Research
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Indiana, PA 15705
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