Well said, Elsa. It seems that colleges are moving from academic pursuit
to a post-modern vocational school where we prepare people for their
job. This is no different than when a vocational school prepares a
machinist or the like.

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Michael J. McCue, M.P.A., J.D.
Contract and Grant Administration
Michigan State University
301 Administration Building
East Lansing, Michigan 48824-1046

Phone: 517-353-1827
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-----Original Message-----
From: Elsa Nadler [mailto:xxxxxx@HSC.WVU.EDU]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:03 AM
To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] qualifications for research admin

Folks, me again,
I can't resist. I can only beg higher education NOT to institute yet
another "job-oriented" degree. That is not (should not be) the purpose
of higher education. Certificates earned by internships in the
appropriate office, CE credits earned while working after the degree
sound much more reasonable to one who is a higher education idealist and
horrified by the current trends in immediate gratification and
anti-intellectualism.
 Elsa Nadler

>>> xxxxxx@MAIL.IFAS.UFL.EDU 04/09/03 10:29AM >>>
Dear Colleagues.....Interesting discussion and good points made by
all.
Question:  is it time for a degree/graduate certificate in research
management, augmented by serious, content-rich continuing education
units
similar to the Accounting, Law and Nursing models?

Best regards,

Julie

Julie B. Cole, MA, CRA
Director
IFAS Sponsored Programs
PO Box 110110
McCarty D, Room G022
University of Florida
Gainesville, Florida 32611
352/392-2356
352/392-8479 FAX

-----Original Message-----
From: Deborah Good [mailto:xxxxxx@HMS.HARVARD.EDU]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:30 AM
To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] qualifications for research admin

Hello all,

A good administrator wears a number of hats, as mentioned, and the
ability
to do so with skill and tact are traits that transcend the issue of
the
letters behind one's name.  Having said that, I also know that in
academia,
it is a fact of life that in an atmosphere dedicated to the advancement
of
knowledge, a degree does lend credibility.  Doesn't mean that there
aren't
plenty of qualified people without degrees that could successfully do
the
job, but that could be said about a lot of positions.

For what it's worth, as an AD myself, and being somewhat familiar with
the
difficulties in finding qualified people (we currently have just such
an
opening in our office), I think a BA with 5-7 years relevant
experience
will attract viable candidates for this kind of mid-level position.

At 04:21 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>rebecca-
>yes, the degree is absolutely necessary in an academic environment,
and,
even
>though the position is assistant director, i'd put the minimum at a
master's.
>furthermore, i'd want to see 8-10 years experience in steadily more
>responsible
>research admin positions, with supervisory experience as well as
experience
in
>the specific areas for which this person will have responsibilties.
>susan
>
>--
>Susan B. Burke
>Information Specialist
>Office of Research Services
>The George Washington University
>2121 I Street NW, Suite 601
>Washington, DC 20052
>Telephone: 202-994-9136
>Facsimile: 202-994-9137
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Harvard Medical School
Sponsored Programs Administration
(617) 432-2911

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