Well said, Elsa. It seems that colleges are moving from academic pursuit to a post-modern vocational school where we prepare people for their job. This is no different than when a vocational school prepares a machinist or the like. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michael J. McCue, M.P.A., J.D. Contract and Grant Administration Michigan State University 301 Administration Building East Lansing, Michigan 48824-1046 Phone: 517-353-1827 Fax: 517-353-9812 -----Original Message----- From: Elsa Nadler [mailto:xxxxxx@HSC.WVU.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:03 AM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] qualifications for research admin Folks, me again, I can't resist. I can only beg higher education NOT to institute yet another "job-oriented" degree. That is not (should not be) the purpose of higher education. Certificates earned by internships in the appropriate office, CE credits earned while working after the degree sound much more reasonable to one who is a higher education idealist and horrified by the current trends in immediate gratification and anti-intellectualism. Elsa Nadler >>> xxxxxx@MAIL.IFAS.UFL.EDU 04/09/03 10:29AM >>> Dear Colleagues.....Interesting discussion and good points made by all. Question: is it time for a degree/graduate certificate in research management, augmented by serious, content-rich continuing education units similar to the Accounting, Law and Nursing models? Best regards, Julie Julie B. Cole, MA, CRA Director IFAS Sponsored Programs PO Box 110110 McCarty D, Room G022 University of Florida Gainesville, Florida 32611 352/392-2356 352/392-8479 FAX -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Good [mailto:xxxxxx@HMS.HARVARD.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:30 AM To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] qualifications for research admin Hello all, A good administrator wears a number of hats, as mentioned, and the ability to do so with skill and tact are traits that transcend the issue of the letters behind one's name. Having said that, I also know that in academia, it is a fact of life that in an atmosphere dedicated to the advancement of knowledge, a degree does lend credibility. Doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of qualified people without degrees that could successfully do the job, but that could be said about a lot of positions. For what it's worth, as an AD myself, and being somewhat familiar with the difficulties in finding qualified people (we currently have just such an opening in our office), I think a BA with 5-7 years relevant experience will attract viable candidates for this kind of mid-level position. At 04:21 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: >rebecca- >yes, the degree is absolutely necessary in an academic environment, and, even >though the position is assistant director, i'd put the minimum at a master's. >furthermore, i'd want to see 8-10 years experience in steadily more >responsible >research admin positions, with supervisory experience as well as experience in >the specific areas for which this person will have responsibilties. >susan > >-- >Susan B. Burke >Information Specialist >Office of Research Services >The George Washington University >2121 I Street NW, Suite 601 >Washington, DC 20052 >Telephone: 202-994-9136 >Facsimile: 202-994-9137 > > >====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >====================================================================== Deborah Good Assistant Director Harvard Medical School Sponsored Programs Administration (617) 432-2911 ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ======================================================================
