Re: Fwd: Re: [RESADM-L] GSchmidt 11 Aug 2002 01:42 EST
Wow! I thought I was the only one who read that book. I wish I had him sign it when I was at PU. It still has good stuff in it! Greg Herbert B. Chermside wrote: > As an old timer, I recognize that Ray Woodrow had it right: > Management FOR Research! > > Woodrow, Raymond J., "Management for Research in U. S. Universities". > NACUBO, Washington, D.C., 1978 > > > Chuck > > > > At 02:20 PM 8/5/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >> Jim is right, as usual. We really don't need a definition of the >> field as much as a reasonable name for what we do, since we do what >> our organizations need for us to do.. That reasonable descriptive >> name has been a stumper for about 50 years. >> >> Spanky >> >>> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:20:32 -0700 >>> From: "James R. Brett" <xxxxxx@CSULB.EDU> >>> Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] >>> Sender: Research Administration List <xxxxxx@hrinet.org> >>> To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG >>> Reply-to: Research Administration Discussion List <xxxxxx@hrinet.org> >>> Organization: California State University, >>> Long Beach -- Office of University Research >>> X-Accept-Language: en >>> >>> ?Sometimes someone in an institution will get all distraught about the >>> expression Research Administrator. It is obvious to us that Research >>> Administrators do not administer research, but the term sometimes seems >>> like an oxymoron to people with an axe to grind. >>> >>> Research administrators provide services, information, >>> interpretation, and >>> personal and career counseling over a wide range of activities to other >>> concerned people (including students, faculty, other administrators, >>> agency program officers, auditors, the press, and politicians) in the >>> various interfaces between the institutional researcher and the rest of >>> the world. The reason we do not call ourselves Research Service, >>> Information, Interpretation, and Counselling Administrators is >>> because the >>> term is decidedly awkward and would drastically change the names of our >>> two main professional organizations. >>> >>> The reason we have Research Administrators is because researchers >>> (and the >>> people they typically encounter) are often much too involved in >>> their own >>> specialties to become adequate in (enough of) these interface areas >>> to be >>> successful. Persons in our profession must be competent or >>> knowledgable >>> in accountancy, law, government, politics, and general interpersonal >>> relations, not to mention being able to intelligently discuss what >>> research is actually about over a range of disciplines, sometimes >>> needing >>> to understand thoroughly several cognate disciplines and sometimes to >>> understand the research in layman's terms in over a hundred >>> disciplines. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> Mike McCallister wrote: >>> >>>> This thing about research administration being about IP? That >>>> completely misses the point (Sorry Charlie). IP is a small tail >>>> wagging a big dog right now and is used so much the term has lost >>>> currency. IP happens within research, sometimes. It is almost >>>> serendipitous. It certainly is not as big a deal as some want it to >>>> be, not yet. >>>> >>>> So what's RA? What did you tell your Mom you do at work? That's >>>> what it is. It's what needs to be done for our researchers and >>>> faculty to create new knowledge, solve problems, grow themselves, >>>> even save the world, maybe. But most of all what we do is help those >>>> who can to do because what they do is, by and large, important to >>>> society. >>>> >>>> Spanky >>>> >>>> ====================================================================== >>>> >>>> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >>>> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >>>> via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv >>>> Lists") >>>> ====================================================================== >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> James R. Brett, Ph.D., Director, >>> Office of University Research >>> California State University, Long Beach >>> 562-985-5314 562-985-8665 fax >>> http://www.csulb.edu/~research/ >>> >>> >>> ====================================================================== >>> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >>> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >>> via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >>> ====================================================================== >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike McCallister, Ph. D. >> Director, Research and Sponsored Programs >> University of Arkansas at Little Rock >> 2801 South University >> Little Rock, AR 72204-1099 >> (v) 501-569-8474 >> (f) 501-371-7614 >> (c) 501-590-5609 >> >> "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new >> discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' (I've found it!), but 'That's funny...'" >> ~ Isaac Asimov >> >> >> ====================================================================== >> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >> via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >> ====================================================================== >> > > Herbert B. Chermside, CRA > Director, Sponsored Programs Administration > Virginia Commonwealth University > PO BOX 980568 > Richmond, VA 23298-0568 > Express Delivery Only: > Sanger Hall, Rm. 1-032A > 11th & Marshall Streets > Richmond, VA 23219 > Voice: 804-828-6772 > Fax 804-828-2521 > OFFICE e-mail xxxxxx@VCU.EDU > Personal e-mail xxxxxx@vcu.edu > http://views.vcu.edu/ospa/ > > > ====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > ====================================================================== > ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ======================================================================