You can save a completed form by printing it to a file.  The computer tech
folk should chime in on the nature of printer, postscript and portable
document formats as they did when NSF began using this industry standard.

The header information that makes a postscript file behave is complicated
but not impossible to manage.  It seems like a fading art now that
printers are more coordinated to work with computers.  Perhaps it could be
revived although I would have to predict that the effort would cost more
than the Adobe product.

The principle is that you can control information if information is made
available through your computing machine.  The encryption can be computed,
in other words, to make meaningful the message, and the break-even point
when the licensed product is economic is pretty low unless you love
computing problems.

Besides, these forms already proliferated in other formats like Word
documents, and the administrator's real concern is that any submission
match the current version of the sponsor's format (in the NIH case so that
NIH won't have a problem scanning them).

Doug Mounce, Associate Administrator for Research and Finance, Pediatrics
University of Washington

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Mary Watson wrote:

> We supply Adobe Acrobat when and if needed.  Many of our faculty have gone
> out and bought it for themselves and tech support is gearing up to provide
> the software as needed.  It is a minor cost item, after all.
>
> Mary
>
> At 05:28 PM 7/11/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >Which brings us back to the hapless PI. Are we going to buy Adobe Acrobat for
> >everyone or will this result in the Res. Admin office having even more work to
> >do. Kari Hastings
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Kaufman, Patrick [mailto:xxxxxx@STOWERS-INSTITUTE.ORG]
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 5:12 PM
> >To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
> >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] new NIH forms
> >
> >
> >Here's the scoop:  If you have ADOBE READER (freeware), you can open them
> >and type in them, but won't be able to save them.  If you have ADOBE ACROBAT
> >(which you have to buy), you can save them also.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Amy Hibbard [mailto:xxxxxx@KGI.EDU]
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:11 PM
> >To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
> >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] new NIH forms
> >
> >
> >I saved them and then filled them out with no problems.  Oh, I did find that
> >on form EE, in the space that calculates the direct costs for year three,
> >the formula excludes the travel costs.  A minor mistake and easily fixed.
> >Other than that, I was able to save, fill out, and print the forms.
> >
> >
> >"All power corrupts, but we need the electricity."
> >
> >Amy Hibbard
> >Grants Administrator
> >Keck Graduate Institute of Applied Life Sciences
> >535 Watson Drive, Claremont, CA 91711
> >T: (909) 607-9313 / 607-7855
> >F: (909) 607-8086
> >xxxxxx@kgi.edu
> >www.kgi.edu
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Susan B. Burke [mailto:xxxxxx@GWU.EDU]
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:56 PM
> >To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
> >Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] new NIH forms
> >
> >
> >I haven't looked, but someone in my office reports that the forms cannot be
> >saved once they are filled out.  How then will the hapless PI be able to
> >make changes if the research office finds errors??????
> >Susan
> >
> >
> >--
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> >Office of Research Services
> >The George Washington University
> >2121 I Street NW, Suite 601
> >Washington, DC 20052
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> >Facsimile:  202/994-9137
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