I agree -  I felt that Samuela put forth a really lucid and rational basis
for their actions in this category. Kari Hastings

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David R. Fielder [SMTP:xxxxxx@COOPER.CPMC.ORG]
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 11:08 AM
> To:   xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
> Subject:      Re: [RESADM-L] F&A Rates for Industrial Sponsors
>
> All I see is the contradiction, non-profits subsidizing for-profits.
>
> I'm also completely unclear on why one would give a whit regarding any
> "written policy" of the for-profit corporation.
>
> Samuela's response is reassuring (and much better written), but maybe it's
> a California thing?
>
> Rant, rant.....   :)      Glad it's Friday.
>
>         David
>
> > Date:    Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:52:51 -0500
> > From:    Ruth Tallman <xxxxxx@LEHIGH.EDU>
> > Subject: Re: F&A Rates for Industrial Sponsors
> >
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> > Jane,
> >
> > I will be interested in seeing the responses, too.  We use our
> > negotiated rate if we can get away with it.  Frequently the industrial
> > sponsor only wants to put up about $50,000 for support of a student, a
> > little PI time, and associated supplies, etc.  With full IC, the $50,000
> > doesn't go very far so we end up negotiating a rate case by case.
> > Totally separate are the research center/liaison program activities
> > which are usually $50,000 or less and are charged at a rate of 12.5% so
> > that the center can use some of the funds to support their staff and
> > expenses.
> >
> > Ruth Tallman
> > Office of Research and Sponsored Programs
> > Lehigh University
> > 526 Brodhead Avenue
> > Bethlehem, PA  18015
> > Phone:   (610)758-3024
> > FAX:    (610)758-5994
> > E-mail:   xxxxxx@lehigh.edu
> >
> >
> > "Youngers, Jane" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good afternoon.
> > >
> > > I know that in the past we have compiled information on F&A rates used
> > > in clinical studies sponsored by pharmaceutical companies.  But I am
> > > not sure we have compiled information on F&A rates used for industrial
> > > sponsors of research.  By this I mean, XYZ company funds a research
> > > project in Dr. J's lab.
> > >
> > > If you would be willing to share your rates with me, I would be
> > > willing to compile them and share them back.
> > >
> > > I am interested in:
> > >
> > > 1.  What F&A rate do you use for research projects funded by industry?
> > >
> > > 2.  What is your federal on-campus research rate?
> > > 3.  If there is a difference, why?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Jane
> > > Jane A. Youngers
> > > Director, Grants Management
> > > University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio
> > > Mail Code 7828
> > > 7703 Floyd Curl Drive
> > > San Antonio TX  78229-3900
> > > 210.567.2333
> > > 210.567.2344 fax
> > > xxxxxx@uthscsa.edu
>
> > Date:    Thu, 29 Mar 2001 13:20:06 -0800
> > From:    Samuela Evans <xxxxxx@UCOP.EDU>
> > Subject: Re: F&A Rates for Industrial Sponsors
> >
> > University of California policy is to use the applicable federal
> indirect
> > cost rate with extramural awards from for-profit sponsors which are not
> > clinical trials.  The State Auditor has ruled that reductions of
> indirect
> > cost rates to such organizations are a gift of public funds for private
> > benefit as the sponsor is not reimbursing the University for the full
> cost
> > of the project.   If there is an overriding vital interest reason for
> the
> > University to accept such an award at a rate lower than the applicable
> > federally approved rate, then intellectual property considerations must
> be
> > taken into account as the for-profit sponsor should not receive
> exceptions
> > to standard intellectual property rights, a potentially valuable
> > consideration, when it is not paying the full costs of the research
> project.
> >
> > I believe that there are institutions which apply their actual indirect
> > cost rate, one without the 26% admin cap in it, to awards from
> for-profit
> > corporations.
>
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