Re: RESADM-L Digest - 16 Mar 2000 to 17 Mar 2000 (#2000-2) Crystal Sprueill 20 Mar 2000 14:34 EST
please take me off this list serve At 10:37 AM 03/18/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I recently scanned our ENTIRE list of sponsors using the Web only, to >determine >corporate name changes, determine the web of ownerships, and discover where >the >ultimate owner's HQ was located in order to determine foreign/domestic >owner- >ship. > >In most cases, you simply go directly to the sponsor's Website using >an Internet search facility (I used www.yahoo.com as my preferred search >site >with www.altavista.com as a backup). If the "About us" section of their >site >doesn't say exactly who they are and who if anyone owns them, you can: >check >the portion of their site that shows stockholder/SEC info; check the >corporate >profile on Yahoo as part of the site lookup process; or else, when all else >fails, you can look at all related links across the entire global Internet >using >Altavista. Not only will this process considerably change your sponsors >list, >it is also powerfully interesting for discovering side info along the way >(like >lawsuits, upcoming products, etc.). > >Hope this helps, >----------------------------- >Stephen Mossbarger >Computer Professional >Office of Sponsored Projects >University of Utah >Phone: 1-801-581-3004 >Fax: 1-801-581-3007 > >>Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:44:17 -0500 >>From: "Gregory K. Schmidt" <xxxxxx@FAMU.EDU> >>Subject: Re: determining type of sponsor > >>It rather depends upon the objectives for determining the nationality. If >you >>want to find the parents of these corporations, you may need a JD to get at >it, >>not an MBA. If you just want to know if THAT sponsor is foreign owned, >just find >>out where their corp. HQ is. I should think that would be sufficient for >most >>purposes. > >>Now, if you're doing this for security clearance or ITAR/EAR purposes, >you'll >>need to go all the way through. > >>Greg > >"Martha M. Taylor" wrote: > >> This may be a dumb question but that never slowed me down before....... >> >> Is there an EASY and FAST way to determine whether or not a sponsor is >> foreign owned? How far back up the hierarchy can I expect to find the >> information that is, parent organizations, grandparent organizations.... >> Do I need an MBA to understand it all? We are starting to indentify our >> sponsors not only by federal, state, industry, foundations etc but also by >> foreign or domestic. If there is not an easy and/or fast way to determine >> this, is there a difficult and slow way? My expereince has been that >> asking the sponsor's POC is often not the most accurate method. Thanks >much. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> Martha M. Taylor, Director >> Office of Sponsored Programs >> 310 Samford Hall >> Auburn University, AL 36849-5131 >> >> 334-844-4438 >> 334-844-5953 (fax) >> >> (xxxxxx@auburn.edu) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG]On Behalf >Of Automatic digest processor >Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:00 PM >To: Recipients of RESADM-L digests >Subject: RESADM-L Digest - 16 Mar 2000 to 17 Mar 2000 (#2000-2) > > >There are 3 messages totalling 299 lines in this issue. > >Topics of the day: > > 1. e-GAPS > 2. determining type of sponsor (2) > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:56:56 -0500 >From: "Gregory K. Schmidt" <xxxxxx@FAMU.EDU> >Subject: Re: e-GAPS > >I feel the need to vent, so excuse me a moment. > >Way back when ERA was a pipe dream, UCLA, MIT, Duke, Notre Dame, FAMU, and a >few >others sat in a cold, dark room talking about standardizing the application >cover >page into an EDI format. We were talking about STANDARDIZING all the >definitions at >the federal level (ours too). We talked about STANDARDIZING how this was >going to >be transmitted and the processes as well. > >At the time, this being my first meeting, I sat silent thinking, 'you know. >I've >seen federal standardization take place before.' > >Like the time they said the FPR (Fed Procurement Regs) and ASPR (Armed >Services >Procurement Regs) were too fractured to be managed any more. So, they came >up with >FAR as the standard across the government. Well, that lasted a long time, >didn't >it? > >It's time (maybe past time) for the FDP to stand up and say that this is >ridiculous! The FDP needs to say, "Pick a standard. Work with us and build >a >process. Then stick to it. All of you." > >Now, how do we get to the foundations? > >Thanks. I feel better now. > >"James R. Brett" wrote: > >> Rebecca, >> >> I think that to emulate Fastlane, the "Application Manager" must be the >person >> who submits. You may not want to emulate Fastlane, however. >> >> It bothers me that eGAPS thinks they can prevent "innocent faculty" from >making >> the mistake of submitting without authorization by the simple expedient of >> "warnings" at the last minute on the last screen! The warnings on >cigarette >> packages don't seem to have much effect, why would these? RED warnings >have not >> prevented most of us from printing out misspelled words from our >wordprocessing >> programs. The sad truth is that we tend to ignore things like this, >especially >> when it is obvious that the authorized representative has gone home for >the >> weekend and the deadline is midnight. >> >> In fact the eGAPS and Army and DoJ systems are poorly thought out and fail >to >> recognize that the preponderance of applications in research and >development are >> not from individuals but from institutions which provide the personnel and >> physical resources for the accomplishment of the projects. >> >> Jim >> >> "Puig, Rebecca" wrote: >> >> > I just reviewed the E-Gaps website and there appears to be two levels of >> > administration. The first being the "Application Manager", which would >> > logically equate to the Principle Investigator. Second, the "Submit" >> > person. They ask for separate information for the person who actually >> > submit's the proposal and that person must be a Authorized >Representative of >> > the institution. >> > >> > I agree that there appears to be no checks and balances as to whether or >not >> > this person is really an "Authorized Rep", but at least it would put a >> > second name to the approval (a partner in crime, sort to speak). >> > >> > What do you think? >> > >> > Rebecca K. Puig >> > Division of Sponsored Research >> > University of South Florida >> > 4202 East Fowler Avenue, FAO 126 >> > Tampa, FL 33620-7900 >> > (813) 974-2897 Voice >> > (813) 974-4962 Fax >> > xxxxxx@research.usf.edu >> > http://www.research.usf.edu/sr/ >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Nancy Peterson [mailto:xxxxxx@WINONA.MSUS.EDU] >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:58 AM >> > To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG >> > Subject: Re: e-GAPS >> > >> > I know several of the RESADM people have contacted the Education >Department >> > about e-gaps. The responses we received have been less than >satisfactory. >> > They say they can't use a system like NSF's Fastlane because they have >> > applicants from numerous organizations that don't hve anything like an >SRO >> > to coordinate submissions. And they say they can't impose any >ADDITIONAL >> > requirements in their electronic application process that are not part >of >> > their hard copy application process (which makes no sense to me -- since >> > hard copies require signatures as proof of institutional approval). >> > >> > My Academic Vice President has told his Deans that if any faculty member >> > submits a proposal without advance approval, it will be turned down. (A >> > gentleman I spoke to in Arkansas said his institution did this with a >very >> > large award that many faculty knew about. He said they have not had a >> > problem since then.) >> > >> > Unfortunately, it may take drastic measures such as turning down awards >to >> > have an impact on e-gaps. Until the Education Department is swamped >with >> > numerous garbage-quality proposals, and finds itself committing time and >> > resources to processing and budgeting for proposals that are going to be >> > turned down, it seems bound and determined to not re-consider its >position. >> > >> > >************************************************************************** >> > >> > Nancy Kay Peterson >> > Director of Grants & Sponsored Projects >> > Somsen Hall Room 202-C >> > Winona State University >> > Winona, MN 55987 >> > >> > Phone: 507.457.5519 >> > Fax: 507.457.2415 >> > xxxxxx@winona.msus.edu >> > http://www.winona.msus.edu/grants/ >> > >> > Charna K >> > Howson To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG >> > <xxxxxx@UNC cc: >> > G.EDU> Subject: e-GAPS >> > Sent by: >> > Research >> > Administratio >> > n List >> > <xxxxxx@hri >> > net.org> >> > >> > 03/14/00 >> > 09:20 AM >> > Please >> > respond to >> > Research >> > Administratio >> > n Discussion >> > List >> > >> > I have just finished reading about the US Dept. of Ed's e-GAPS >> > system in response to an inquiry from a PI who plans to submit >> > two proposals electronically in April. My review of the Web >> > site and documentation indicates there is no institutional >> > blessing required, just the assumption that the PI got it before >> > hitting the electronic send button. I'm not excited about this >> > one!! >> > >> > Would anyone who has had previous experience with the system >> > provide me with guidance, insights, concerns either by e-mail or >> > by phone? I am supposed to discuss the system with my PI later >> > this afternoon. >> > >> > Thanks for the help, >> > Charna >> > >> > ---------------------- >> > Charna K Howson >> > Associate Director >> > Office of Research Services >> > 100 McIver Building, UNCG >> > P.O. Box 26170 >> > Greensboro, NC 27402-6170 >> > Phone: 336 334-4316 >> > Fax: 336 334-3140 >> > E-mail: xxxxxx@uncg.edu >> > >> > ====================================================================== >> > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >> > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >> > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >> > ====================================================================== >> > >> > ====================================================================== >> > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >> > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >> > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >> > ====================================================================== >> > >> > ====================================================================== >> > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >> > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >> > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >> > ====================================================================== >> >> -- >> James R. Brett, Ph.D., Director >> Office of University Research >> California State University, Long Beach >> 562-985-4833 fax 985-8665 >> http://www.csulb.edu/~research >> >> ====================================================================== >> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >> via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >> ====================================================================== > >-- >Gregory K. Schmidt >Assistant Controller >Florida A&M University >201 FHAC >Tallahassee, FL 32307 > >850.561.2956 voice >850.561.2461 fax > > >====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >====================================================================== > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:44:17 -0500 >From: "Gregory K. Schmidt" <xxxxxx@FAMU.EDU> >Subject: Re: determining type of sponsor > >It rather depends upon the objectives for determining the nationality. If >you >want to find the parents of these corporations, you may need a JD to get at >it, >not an MBA. If you just want to know if THAT sponsor is foreign owned, just >find >out where their corp. HQ is. I should think that would be sufficient for >most >purposes. > >Now, if you're doing this for security clearance or ITAR/EAR purposes, >you'll >need to go all the way through. > >Greg > >"Martha M. Taylor" wrote: > >> This may be a dumb question but that never slowed me down before....... >> >> Is there an EASY and FAST way to determine whether or not a sponsor is >> foreign owned? How far back up the hierarchy can I expect to find the >> information that is, parent organizations, grandparent organizations.... >> Do I need an MBA to understand it all? We are starting to indentify our >> sponsors not only by federal, state, industry, foundations etc but also by >> foreign or domestic. If there is not an easy and/or fast way to determine >> this, is there a difficult and slow way? My expereince has been that >> asking the sponsor's POC is often not the most accurate method. Thanks >much. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> Martha M. Taylor, Director >> Office of Sponsored Programs >> 310 Samford Hall >> Auburn University, AL 36849-5131 >> >> 334-844-4438 >> 334-844-5953 (fax) >> >> (xxxxxx@auburn.edu) >> >> ====================================================================== >> Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including >> subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available >> via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >> ====================================================================== > >-- >Gregory K. Schmidt >Assistant Controller >Florida A&M University >201 FHAC >Tallahassee, FL 32307 > >850.561.2956 voice >850.561.2461 fax > > >====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >====================================================================== > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:26:22 -0500 >From: Bob Wolfson <xxxxxx@POBOX.HPRF.ODU.EDU> >Subject: Re: determining type of sponsor > >Bob Wolfson has resigned from his position at ODU Research Foundation. Your >message has been forwarded to Mary Schamber, General Office Manager to be >directed to the correct individual. Mary can be reached at >xxxxxx@pobox.hprf.odu.edu or by phone at (757) 683-4293 ext. 400. > > >====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >====================================================================== > >------------------------------ > >End of RESADM-L Digest - 16 Mar 2000 to 17 Mar 2000 (#2000-2) >************************************************************* > > >====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") >====================================================================== > > ...true knowledge is the discerning of pattern, and wisdom in its > right interpretation. > > Robert Coover (b.1932) > >Crystal Sprueill Admin. 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