Re: RESADM-L Digest - 16 Mar 2000 to 17 Mar 2000 (#2000-2) Crystal Sprueill 20 Mar 2000 14:34 EST

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At 10:37 AM 03/18/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>I recently scanned our ENTIRE list of sponsors using the Web only, to
>determine
>corporate name changes, determine the web of ownerships, and discover where
>the
>ultimate owner's HQ was located in order to determine foreign/domestic
>owner-
>ship.
>
>In most cases, you simply go directly to the sponsor's Website using
>an Internet search facility (I used www.yahoo.com as my preferred search
>site
>with www.altavista.com as a backup).  If the "About us" section of their
>site
>doesn't say exactly who they are and who if anyone owns them, you can:
>check
>the portion of their site that shows stockholder/SEC info; check the
>corporate
>profile on Yahoo as part of the site lookup process; or else, when all else
>fails, you can look at all related links across the entire global Internet
>using
>Altavista.  Not only will this process considerably change your sponsors
>list,
>it is also powerfully interesting for discovering side info along the way
>(like
>lawsuits, upcoming products, etc.).
>
>Hope this helps,
>-----------------------------
>Stephen Mossbarger
>Computer Professional
>Office of Sponsored Projects
>University of Utah
>Phone:  1-801-581-3004
>Fax:  1-801-581-3007
>
>>Date:    Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:44:17 -0500
>>From:    "Gregory K. Schmidt" <xxxxxx@FAMU.EDU>
>>Subject: Re: determining type of sponsor
>
>>It rather depends upon the objectives for determining the nationality.  If
>you
>>want to find the parents of these corporations, you may need a JD to get at
>it,
>>not an MBA.  If you just want to know if THAT sponsor is foreign owned,
>just find
>>out where their corp. HQ is.  I should think that would be sufficient for
>most
>>purposes.
>
>>Now, if you're doing this for security clearance or ITAR/EAR purposes,
>you'll
>>need to go all the way through.
>
>>Greg
>
>"Martha M. Taylor" wrote:
>
>> This may be a dumb question but that never slowed me down before.......
>>
>> Is there an EASY and FAST way to determine whether or not a sponsor is
>> foreign owned?  How far back up the hierarchy can I expect to find the
>> information that is, parent organizations, grandparent organizations....
>> Do I need an MBA to understand it all?  We are starting to indentify our
>> sponsors not only by federal, state, industry, foundations etc but also by
>> foreign or domestic.  If there is not an easy and/or fast way to determine
>> this, is there a difficult and slow way?  My expereince has been that
>> asking the sponsor's POC is often not the most accurate method.  Thanks
>much.
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Martha M. Taylor, Director
>> Office of Sponsored Programs
>> 310 Samford Hall
>> Auburn University, AL 36849-5131
>>
>> 334-844-4438
>> 334-844-5953 (fax)
>>
>> (xxxxxx@auburn.edu)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG]On Behalf
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>
>There are 3 messages totalling 299 lines in this issue.
>
>Topics of the day:
>
>  1. e-GAPS
>  2. determining type of sponsor (2)
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date:    Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:56:56 -0500
>From:    "Gregory K. Schmidt" <xxxxxx@FAMU.EDU>
>Subject: Re: e-GAPS
>
>I feel the need to vent, so excuse me a moment.
>
>Way back when ERA was a pipe dream, UCLA, MIT, Duke, Notre Dame, FAMU, and a
>few
>others sat in a cold, dark room talking about standardizing the application
>cover
>page into an EDI format.  We were talking about STANDARDIZING all the
>definitions at
>the federal level (ours too).  We talked about STANDARDIZING how this was
>going to
>be transmitted and the processes as well.
>
>At the time, this being my first meeting, I sat silent thinking, 'you know.
>I've
>seen federal standardization take place before.'
>
>Like the time they said the FPR (Fed Procurement Regs) and ASPR (Armed
>Services
>Procurement Regs) were too fractured to be managed any more.  So, they came
>up with
>FAR as the standard across the government.  Well, that lasted a long time,
>didn't
>it?
>
>It's time (maybe past time) for the FDP to stand up and say that this is
>ridiculous!  The FDP needs to say, "Pick a standard.  Work with us and build
>a
>process.  Then stick to it.  All of you."
>
>Now, how do we get to the foundations?
>
>Thanks.  I feel better now.
>
>"James R. Brett" wrote:
>
>> Rebecca,
>>
>> I think that to emulate Fastlane, the "Application Manager" must be the
>person
>> who submits.  You may not want to emulate Fastlane, however.
>>
>> It bothers me that eGAPS thinks they can prevent "innocent faculty" from
>making
>> the mistake of submitting without authorization by the simple expedient of
>> "warnings" at the last minute on the last screen!  The warnings on
>cigarette
>> packages don't seem to have much effect, why would these?  RED warnings
>have not
>> prevented most of us from printing out misspelled words from our
>wordprocessing
>> programs.  The sad truth is that we tend to ignore things like this,
>especially
>> when it is obvious that the authorized representative has gone home for
>the
>> weekend and the deadline is midnight.
>>
>> In fact the eGAPS and Army and DoJ systems are poorly thought out and fail
>to
>> recognize that the preponderance of applications in research and
>development are
>> not from individuals but from institutions which provide the personnel and
>> physical resources for the accomplishment of the projects.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> "Puig, Rebecca" wrote:
>>
>> > I just reviewed the E-Gaps website and there appears to be two levels of
>> > administration.  The first being the "Application Manager", which would
>> > logically equate to the Principle Investigator.  Second, the "Submit"
>> > person.  They ask for separate information for the person who actually
>> > submit's the proposal and that person must be a Authorized
>Representative of
>> > the institution.
>> >
>> > I agree that there appears to be no checks and balances as to whether or
>not
>> > this person is really an "Authorized Rep", but at least it would put a
>> > second name to the approval (a partner in crime, sort to speak).
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > Rebecca K. Puig
>> > Division of Sponsored Research
>> > University of South Florida
>> > 4202 East Fowler Avenue, FAO 126
>> > Tampa, FL  33620-7900
>> > (813) 974-2897 Voice
>> > (813) 974-4962 Fax
>> > xxxxxx@research.usf.edu
>> > http://www.research.usf.edu/sr/
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Nancy Peterson [mailto:xxxxxx@WINONA.MSUS.EDU]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:58 AM
>> > To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
>> > Subject: Re: e-GAPS
>> >
>> > I know several of the RESADM people have contacted the Education
>Department
>> > about e-gaps.   The responses we received have been less than
>satisfactory.
>> > They say they can't use a system like NSF's Fastlane because they have
>> > applicants from numerous organizations that don't hve anything like an
>SRO
>> > to coordinate submissions.  And they say they can't impose any
>ADDITIONAL
>> > requirements in their electronic application process that are not part
>of
>> > their hard copy application process (which makes no sense to me -- since
>> > hard copies require signatures as proof of institutional approval).
>> >
>> > My Academic Vice President has told his Deans that if any faculty member
>> > submits a proposal without advance approval, it will be turned down.  (A
>> > gentleman I spoke to in Arkansas said his institution did this with a
>very
>> > large award that many faculty knew about.  He said they have not had a
>> > problem since then.)
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, it may take drastic measures such as turning down awards
>to
>> > have an impact on e-gaps.  Until the Education Department is swamped
>with
>> > numerous garbage-quality proposals, and finds itself committing time and
>> > resources to processing and budgeting for proposals that are going to be
>> > turned down, it seems bound and determined to not re-consider its
>position.
>> >
>> >
>**************************************************************************
>> >
>> > Nancy Kay Peterson
>> > Director of Grants & Sponsored Projects
>> > Somsen Hall Room 202-C
>> > Winona State University
>> > Winona, MN  55987
>> >
>> > Phone:  507.457.5519
>> > Fax:       507.457.2415
>> > xxxxxx@winona.msus.edu
>> > http://www.winona.msus.edu/grants/
>> >
>> >                     Charna K
>> >                     Howson               To:     xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
>> >                     <xxxxxx@UNC        cc:
>> >                     G.EDU>               Subject:     e-GAPS
>> >                     Sent by:
>> >                     Research
>> >                     Administratio
>> >                     n List
>> >                     <xxxxxx@hri
>> >                     net.org>
>> >
>> >                     03/14/00
>> >                     09:20 AM
>> >                     Please
>> >                     respond to
>> >                     Research
>> >                     Administratio
>> >                     n Discussion
>> >                     List
>> >
>> > I have just finished reading about the US Dept. of Ed's e-GAPS
>> > system in response to an inquiry from a PI who plans to submit
>> > two proposals electronically in April.  My review of the Web
>> > site and documentation indicates there is no institutional
>> > blessing required, just the assumption that the PI got it before
>> > hitting the electronic send button.  I'm not excited about this
>> > one!!
>> >
>> > Would anyone who has had previous experience with the system
>> > provide me with guidance, insights, concerns either by e-mail or
>> > by phone?  I am supposed to discuss the system with my PI later
>> > this afternoon.
>> >
>> > Thanks for the help,
>> > Charna
>> >
>> > ----------------------
>> > Charna K Howson
>> > Associate Director
>> > Office of Research Services
>> > 100 McIver Building, UNCG
>> > P.O. Box 26170
>> > Greensboro, NC 27402-6170
>> > Phone:  336 334-4316
>> > Fax:    336 334-3140
>> > E-mail: xxxxxx@uncg.edu
>> >
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>> Office of University Research
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>Florida A&M University
>201 FHAC
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>
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>Date:    Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:44:17 -0500
>From:    "Gregory K. Schmidt" <xxxxxx@FAMU.EDU>
>Subject: Re: determining type of sponsor
>
>It rather depends upon the objectives for determining the nationality.  If
>you
>want to find the parents of these corporations, you may need a JD to get at
>it,
>not an MBA.  If you just want to know if THAT sponsor is foreign owned, just
>find
>out where their corp. HQ is.  I should think that would be sufficient for
>most
>purposes.
>
>Now, if you're doing this for security clearance or ITAR/EAR purposes,
>you'll
>need to go all the way through.
>
>Greg
>
>"Martha M. Taylor" wrote:
>
>> This may be a dumb question but that never slowed me down before.......
>>
>> Is there an EASY and FAST way to determine whether or not a sponsor is
>> foreign owned?  How far back up the hierarchy can I expect to find the
>> information that is, parent organizations, grandparent organizations....
>> Do I need an MBA to understand it all?  We are starting to indentify our
>> sponsors not only by federal, state, industry, foundations etc but also by
>> foreign or domestic.  If there is not an easy and/or fast way to determine
>> this, is there a difficult and slow way?  My expereince has been that
>> asking the sponsor's POC is often not the most accurate method.  Thanks
>much.
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Martha M. Taylor, Director
>> Office of Sponsored Programs
>> 310 Samford Hall
>> Auburn University, AL 36849-5131
>>
>> 334-844-4438
>> 334-844-5953 (fax)
>>
>> (xxxxxx@auburn.edu)
>>
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>>  subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available
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>--
>Gregory K. Schmidt
>Assistant Controller
>Florida A&M University
>201 FHAC
>Tallahassee, FL  32307
>
>850.561.2956 voice
>850.561.2461 fax
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date:    Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:26:22 -0500
>From:    Bob Wolfson <xxxxxx@POBOX.HPRF.ODU.EDU>
>Subject: Re: determining type of sponsor
>
>Bob Wolfson has resigned from his position at ODU Research Foundation.  Your
>message has been forwarded to Mary Schamber, General Office Manager to be
>directed to the correct individual.  Mary can be reached at
>xxxxxx@pobox.hprf.odu.edu or by phone at (757) 683-4293 ext. 400.
>
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