Mr. Beattie:

Next door to you (practically), is the U of MN with their system.  From
their propaganda, it too is fully Webable and includes forms, reporting and
integration into financials, purchasing, and personnel.  In addition, it has
automatic audits, parallel review by separate office and a sanctions
function for abusers.  I hear tell it's launching fully grown in June.  I'm
not sure of their EDI capability, but considering who wrote the programs,
I'm sure it is (they also wrote Gopher and Pop-Mail).

Greg Schmidt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Beattie" <xxxxxx@UMICH.EDU>
To: <xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: computer systems

> In order to use PeopleSoft Grants you must have PeopleSoft Financials 7.5
> and as reported in The Chronicle for other PS systems much money, staff,
> and time to get it installed and supported. With out other PS systems and
> all the infrastructure and outside consultants needed, GRANTS is not a
> viable option.
>
> GAMS is still in development.  The University of Mass, Amherst, using a
> version not completely Quality Assured Tested (but QA'd for most of the
> forms and budget parts) processed 5 real proposals in 5 months and
> generated some 140 requests for fixes (60 fixed).  The person to ask for
> real life experience there is Paul Kelley xxxxxx@resgs.umass.edu  GAMS
> has much potential but still needs to be finished up a bit.  You would
need
> a full time administrator (although you can contract with the vendor for
> service) to manage all the components.
>
> Unlike GRANTS, it is fully web enabled.   It allows users to complete
> government forms (including attachment of a rich text abstract) and
prepare
> a budget, and attach the scientific text.  It prints out the forms for
most
> government agencies.  It also has capability to send a Transaction Set 194
> via EDI directly to sponsor (no need for service bureau).
>
> For a view of one university's attempt to use it for a full grants data
> management system, contact Sarah Wasserman  xxxxxx@oba.uiuc.edu
>
> I do not know the current price but must be in middle to high 6 figures.
> The original consortium of universities that participated in early
> development is dissolving so new users would be licensing the product
> directly from the vendor.  I do not know what role new users would play in
> any further development.  Note that it runs on a system called UniVerse
and
> not on Oracle or such systems and this needs to be factored in to any cost
> consideration.  So unlike GRANTS or other PS programs which can be
modified
> easily at each site by using PeopleTools, GAMS is modified only by the
> vendor.  We do not have GAMS in production for live proposals at UMich but
> are still testing it.  We do not have PS Financials 7.5 so cannot consider
> GRANTS yet.  We participated in both development groups.
>
> Hope this gives you some useful info.
>
> Bob
>
> Robert Beattie
> Manager of electronic Research Administration
>      and Senior Project Representative
> The University of Michigan
> xxxxxx@umich.edu
>
> --On Fri, Feb 11, 2000 10:21 AM -0500 Beverly Blakeney
> <xxxxxx@ZOO.UVM.EDU> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Our office will be looking at Grant Management systems such as InfoEd,
> > GAMS and PeopleSoft.  Would you be willing to share your experience,
> > positive as well as negative, with us concerning those systems or other
> > systems? We will not have in house computer support available, so we're
> > looking for a system that can be supported by non-techies.  Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
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> > Assistant Director
> > Office of Sponsored Programs
> > University of Vermont
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