I wonder if there is a possibility of linking an email address to the ORCID profile…
Best,
Susan
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Except that both NSF and NIH (at the very least – those are the two sponsors I work with most often) encourage you to use a personal email that you will retain as at least
a backup email on your accounts, so you can still access it and change your password if/when you change jobs.
A better solution might be to create separate-but-durable personal accounts (I know both Gmail and ProtonMail allow for this; less certain about other providers) that you can
use to keep work stuff out of personal stuff and vice-versa, but still keep access to things you might need to have if you move to a different job.
Michael
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The best way to get in touch with me continues to be via email: I am working a hybrid schedule.
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This is a good reminder to NOT put your personal email in for your work account, and not use your work email to sign up for personal things.
Shawn Tucker
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Oregon State University
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Agree with Tammy that the dual use of
login.gov for work and personal accounts is a problem. Robyn mentions having 2
login.gov accounts (1 personal, 1 work). I originally had that, but I made the (in hindsight) huge mistake of adding my personal email, which was my personal account username, as a backup email in the work account. Once I did
that, login.gov connected the two accounts. I can still sign in using either email address, but the account has both work-related connected accounts and personal accounts (SSA).
I tried to remove my personal email and got this warning: “If you delete your email address, * You won’t be able to sign in to Login.gov (or any of the government applications
linked to your account) using this email address and *You won’t get account notifications at this email address.” Which effectively would cut me off from SSA. Apparently, if I decide to go ahead and delete the personal address, I will have to contact
login.gov to have my identity verified to recreate the personal account, and then re-connect SSA. You can imagine why I’m not eager to do this. So for now, I’m leaving the accounts connected. Once I leave my job, I’ll remove
the work account emails.
I’m not crazy about using my personal cell for work authentication purposes either. But it’s mostly because I’m concerned about being completely unable to access any work resources
if my phone is lost or stolen.
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The other challenge to this is that some of us also use
login.gov for personal reasons, like school loans (ugh). And I do NOT like providing my personal information for work purposes. I believe that this crosses a line for many of us. I agree that our places of employment, if they
or the sites we are required to use, require us to use our personal cell phone for authentication (I have to use it for our internal sites, as well as several others that we collaborate with! I think I now have 3 authenticator apps on my phone….), then
they should be required to compensate us for that or provide a “work” cell to use.
Best,
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I must beg to differ on that last point. I am required by law to carry a driver’s license on my person when I am operating a motor vehicle. There is no law whatsoever that
requires me to use login.gov for anything except interacting with certain parts of the federal government – and all of those, at least in the present moment, have to do with my employment. I am extremely uncomfortable with the
idea that I should use my personal cell phone for work purposes without being at least offered a token reimbursement for the expenses I incur. Not to mention the sad fact that not everyone in this richest country on earth can afford a cell phone, which makes
requiring someone to have such a thing as a condition of employment extremely problematic. And unjust, inequitable, and just plain wrong.
Michael Spires, M.A., M.S., CRA
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Authenticating to Login.gov is a unique process all by itself. You get referred to Login.gov for authentication by other sites.
Once Login.gov confirms you are who you claim to be, it forwards you back to whichever site you are trying to access with an assurance that you are fully authenticated at whatever level that referring site
requires (the NSF requires a high-quality multifactor authentication – but other sites are currently satisfied with just a password).
Whatever authentication methods you develop at Login.gov will be available to you whenever you authenticate there – so your security key will always allow you to meet the MFA requirement even if some other
non-NSF site refers you to Login.gov for authentication. Again, not all sites expect this highest level of security.
It’s important to note here that
your Login.gov account is a PERSONAL account – like driver’s license – rather than an account associated with your employment – like a NSF or Commons ID. It’s how you prove you are who are for the purpose of
federal websites. If you left your current job – or the entire field of research administration – you would take your Login.gov account with you and use it for other business at federal websites (such as TSA PreCheck or GlobalEntry).
Like a driver’s license, you authenticate yourself to the government to acquire the Login.gov credential and your employer may utilize it for some purposes related to your employment, but it remains YOUR credential
and does not belong to your employer.
There’s no reason to avoid authenticating to Login.gov on a personal cell phone – just like there’s no reason to avoid carrying your driver's license in your personal wallet.
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Can anyone tell me if _all_ sites where
login.gov are used will require this same security key, or if it is only NSF? I am worried about how making a change for one agency is going to affect all the others I need to log into.
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Hey Erica,
I’ve had some similar reservations about this process. I think it depends on your operating system and how your university has things setup in the background as far as what
choices are available (and the chart on the NSF help page is inaccurate I think
https://www.research.gov/research-web/content/rgovsignin).
Here’s what I experienced (all in a Chrome browser):
- Windows 10: The only option was to use a physical security key (!) for both the
research.gov credentials and
login.gov method.
- Windows 11: Research.gov credentials allowed either a security key or creating a passkey with a personal device (you
don’t have to use face ID, just whatever method you have setup to unlock your phone – but I was prompted to enable my personal iCloud keychain to sync up on my iPhone). Login.gov only gave me the option of using Windows Hello, which my university does not
currently support. Despite instructions saying a passkey on a mobile device can be used on multiple devices, this was not the case for me. It would only work on that one Windows 11 laptop (I may have read this wrong though).
- MacBook running Sonoma 14.7: Options included Use passkeys in my Google account, iCloud keychain, Use a phone or tablet,
My Chrome profile, or Security key. A veritable cornucopia of options! Using the Chrome profile prompted me to enter my computer password and that was that.
Hopefully typing this out is helpful to someone and not just therapy for me. We’re going to request for our department to pay for physical security keys for our AORs. None
of us are comfortable using our personal devices for this and only a couple of us have a MacBook as our university-issued laptop.
Kelly
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