Hypothesis:
The later a proposal, the more the PI has on his or her plate and the more likely it is that the project will be great, if the PI has the time to do it, but probably won't because he or she will have more great ideas and file more late proposals.

J. Michael Slocum
Slocum & Boddie, PC
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Suite 310
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On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Charles Hathaway <xxxxxx@einstein.yu.edu> wrote:
Scott, this should go in the first edition of "Res Admin Black Humor"!!
 
But I'd like to add another question to Robin's original.  Has anyone ever tried to analyze in a rigorous way whether late proposals are more likely to be bad ones?  My hypothesis: no relationship.  And if that is true then Scott (and most of us) are totally justified in never enforcing these policies.  If not true, if late DOES mean poorer quality, then we need to trumpet these findings far and wide.
 
CH
 

From: Research Administration List [xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org] on behalf of Scott Niles [xxxxxx@MOREHEADSTATE.EDU]
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:44 PM
To: xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Grant Lead Times

How many days we require receipt of a grant application prior to the deadline (per our written policy): 5 business days

How many times we enforce said policy when it is not followed: 0

When proposals USUALLY come in: The day of the deadline

Scott Niles, MA, CRA
Grants and Contracts Administrator
Office of Research and Sponsored Programs
Morehead State University
901 Ginger Hall
Morehead, KY 40351
Phone: 606-783-2278
Fax: 606-783-2130
Web site: http://www.moreheadstate.edu/research

From: "xxxxxx@mcdaniel.edu" <xxxxxx@MCDANIEL.EDU>
Reply-To: Research Administration Discussion List <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org>
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 13:32:05 -0400
To: "xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org" <xxxxxx@lists.healthresearch.org>
Subject: [RESADM-L] Grant Lead Times

I'm conducting an informal survey to try to modify our own policy regarding lead time for grant submissions. This question would apply to those with centralized research administration.

How many days before the deadline do you require receipt of the grant to your office?  Does it go through an approval process before this point? If yes does that have the same lead time requirement? Do you allow non-budgetary changes to be made after the required deadline, or is it considered "final" unless errors are kicked back?

I remember this question being asked before, but that was back when the transition was occurring to completely online submissions. Now that it has been several years I'm not sure if anyone has modified or learned from their experiences.

Thank you!

Robin

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Director, Office of Academic and Government Grants
McDaniel College
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