Depends.
According to Stumpy Eargone, the head of our Grizzly Bear
Artificial Insemination Team, the desired outcome can be achieved without
mortally wounding the animal. The bullets that wound the animal, (remember; moose
are just as dangerous as bears) would be allowable. The researcher should be
aware that those that miss will be very costly.
Joe
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Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Bloomberg,
Robert
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:20 AM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Allowable Cost?
That almost sounds reasonable. How would you charge a bullet that
merely wounds the bear?
Robert
P. Bloomberg
Director, Office of Grants & Contracts
Tufts Medical Center
800 Washington Street (Tupper 10)
Boston, MA 02111
Tel. 617.636.1142
Fax. 617.636.8568
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Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Rasmussen,
Joseph
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:27 PM
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You are all way too
generous. I would say no to the box and holster, (not allocable) and reimburse
the researcher for only the bullet or bullets that actually stop a life
threatening attack. All ammo used for target practice should be funded from a
non-grant source, as it is similar to grant writing or R&D.
Joe Rasmussen
Budget Analyst
University of
Montana
Office of Research
and Sponsored Programs
University Hall 202
Missoula, MT 59812
(406) 243-5078
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Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Joy
Muir
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Allowable Cost?
Well, I was thinking
we were dealing with scientists (not generally known as “big game”
hunters)…
Coming from Montana,
and being an experienced bow hunter (not bears!), I don’t know any guides
who would recommend guns over rifles; I believe they would even prefer bear
spray in this case (being inexperienced and not actually trying to kill the
animal). I bet the grant would more easily pay for that!
Joy Muir, MS
Grant / Contract Coordinator
Dept of Kinesiology
Center for Metabolic Biology
Arizona State University
ISTB1 Rm. 481M
P.O. Box 873704
Tempe, AZ 85287-3704
Tel. 480.727.6152
FAX 480.727.6183
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James M.
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Allowable Cost?
I don't see this
being any different than covering the costs of a cell phone as a direct cost
for an inner-city researcher going into a dangerous urban setting.
Bottom line?
Dead PI = no research.
If there is a risk
of bear attack, then this would obviously be a reasonable cost. Of
course, the university's legal department will need to do its due diligence up
front to address liability issues.
Finally, for the
uninitiated city-types, the right handgun will stop a bear. Many
sportsmen and women do hunt big game with handguns, I wouldn't... but some
do. (Do a Google if you want to know more.)
Have a great week
gang,
James
James M. Surprenant, MBA
SENIOR GRANTS ADMINISTRATOR
The Brigham & Women's
Hospital
Department of Surgery
Tel: 617-525-7409
xxxxxx@partners.org
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[mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Parker, Paul
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Allowable Cost?
I responded direct
to Lori but after reading responses I felt compelled to comment to the
listserv.
This is an allowable
expense. We have conducted field work in Alaska for a number of years
and firearms and
associated items were purchased using federal funds. As I mentioned to
Lori we worked
through our University Police department and the mail services (we had the
rifles shipped to
the field site). You’re dealing with very dangerous animals, i.e.
Kodiak bears.
And all caution must
be used not to disturb their environment we saw pictures of the bears
coming towards the
researchers and they were not going to fall back.
Paul Parker
Paul C. Parker
Associate Vice
President for
Research
Administration
State University of
New York
PO Box 6000
Binghamton, NY
13902-6000
607-777-6752
Fax 607-777-4354
email:
xxxxxx@binghamton.edu
From:
Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Lori
Johnson
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:40 AM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] Allowable Cost?
Thank you.
Lori
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009
at 9:23 AM, Brazil, Renea <xxxxxx@uams.edu>
wrote:
Lori,
I would disagree with the statement below. A-21 defines
allowable costs as “must be reasonable, must be allocable to the
sponsored agreements under the principles and methods provided herein, they
must be given consistent treatment through GAAP, and conform to any limitations”.
Would your institution cover personal costs on any other
funding? I’m not sure that a federal agency would agree that they should
be charged for these items of personal safety to do the work that the
institution proposed it could do…it looks more like an employee cost
which would be part of F&A, not a direct cost to a grant.
Also, the items would not be used so