Financial Analysis Using Lower OH Rates Elise Dantuma (15 Feb 2016 14:38 EST)
Re: Financial Analysis Using Lower OH Rates Lindsey Demeritt (15 Feb 2016 16:45 EST)
Re: Financial Analysis Using Lower OH Rates Hathaway, Charles (15 Feb 2016 17:09 EST)
Re: Financial Analysis Using Lower OH Rates Carolyn Elliott-Farino (16 Feb 2016 09:01 EST)
Re: Financial Analysis Using Lower OH Rates Aull, Robert Matthew (16 Feb 2016 14:40 EST)

Re: Financial Analysis Using Lower OH Rates Hathaway, Charles 15 Feb 2016 17:09 EST

Exactly.  This needs to be decided case-by-case.  The question to ask is whether the success of that $20K research project will lead to greater funding down the road.
CH
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Elise,
Not having numbers, what I can tell you is that in those circumstances, I often recommend faculty look at the benefit to the organization of participating in such a program, and then, using that benefit, to write a justification for a reduction, if not a waiver, of OH.  At $20k total cost and a 60% OH rate (argument's sake), the total available direct is $12,500 and to your point, how much more could be done if $7500 of the total wasn't going to OH.  Now, I've only ever done this with non-profit or US federal/state agency proposals/pass-thru...never on for profit funded research activities.  But, there is often a good argument to make that the value of the program may be more beneficial to the mission of the institution, than the small differential on the OH recovery.

Lindsey

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Elise Dantuma <xxxxxx@ucf.edu<mailto:xxxxxx@ucf.edu>> wrote:
Hi everyone,

I’m curious to know if anyone has performed a financial analysis on utilizing a lower overhead rate on small projects (let’s less than $20,000 total costs) and how this affects overhead brought into the institution. I know at the end of the day, this will probably always bring in a lower overall overhead rate to the institution as a whole, but how much of an impact would this have?

I’m curious to know because generally with smaller funded projects (less than $20,000 total costs), if you have an overhead rate of 50%, this is a substantial amount of the funding. This can be especially challenging if the agency caps a project on total costs (inclusive of overhead).

On one side, the full overhead is the costs of running a research program and is important. On the other side, what can a PI perform with only half the funds? Is the institution competitive then?

Has anyone performed a financial analysis on this? How do other institutions approach small projects where the agency does not cap overhead and the funding is limited in dollar value?

Feel free to respond here or to me directly.

Thanks everyone!!
Elise

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