Re: HELP! C06 QUESTION Good, Deborah 09 Jul 2009 14:08 EST

Thanks, All!  And thanks to the gentleman who called from TX with helpful advice.  Saved us from getting a rejected application!

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From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of angela williams
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:48 PM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] HELP! C06 QUESTION

Here is the answer our office received from NIH:

From: Constructionncrr (NIH/NCRR) [mailto:xxxxxx@mail.nih.gov]
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:02 AM
Subject: RE: Which pages are counted in the C06 Application

The 20 page limit includes all of the text in the application.  The page count starts at the Specific Aims section and runs through the Project Timeline.

Greg Farber, Ph.D.
Deputy Director, Office of Extramural Activities National Center for Research Resources
301-435-0778

Ang.

Angela D. Williams, MBA, JD
Center Research Administrator
Texas Learning and Computation Center
University of Houston
218 P.G. Hoffman Hall
Houston, TX 77204-3058

713-743-4129
Fax: 713-743-1250
xxxxxx@tlc2.uh.edu

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From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of bonnie kwit
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:34 PM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] HELP! C06 QUESTION

Charlie,
This is the error/warning message I received on  my May 6th submission.
Note is says limited to 40 pages.   Bonnie

Status Information

eSubmission Errors/Warning
 In most cases, a Bibliography and References Cited attachment should be included. - Warning

 The Program Narrative (Other Project Information, Project Narrative
attachment) is limited to 40 pages. - Warning

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From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Hathaway
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:54 PM
To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] HELP! C06 QUESTION

I disagree.  Please see email below.

AND..please tell me if you already submitted a 40 pager for an earlier deadline.  ??

Charlie

From: "McCullough, Willie (NIH/NCRR) [E]" <xxxxxx@mail.nih.gov>
To: Charlie Hathaway <xxxxxx@aecom.yu.edu>, "Nelson, Barbara (NIH/NCRR) [E]"
 <xxxxxx@mail.nih.gov>
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:22:30 -0400
Subject: RE: C06 page limits

Dr. Hathaway,

The 20 page Project Narrative includes the line-up-on-line narrative of the following less the tables and line drawings:

Specific Aims:
Background:
Improvement Plans:
Significance and Need: (grant tables do not count against the 20 pages) Project Management and Institutional Commitment:
Design Considerations:
 Engineering Criteria:
 Architectural Criteria:
Line Drawings: (do not counted against the 20 pages)
Equipment:
Project Timeline:

The grant support tables and line drawings may exceed the 40 page limit that will trigger a warning that the PDF file is more than the 40 page limit.  A warning is OK so you may add more than 20 pages of tables and line drawings.

Regards,

Willie

At 01:40 PM 7/9/2009, you wrote:
>We have interpreted the Project Narrative to consist of all the
>sections, with page requirements for Specific Aims, Background and
>Improvement to be no more than 20 pp.  But together with the remaining
>sections (Significance and Need, Project Management and Institutional
>Commitment, Design Considerations, Equipment and Project Timelines) the
>total cannot exceed 40 pp (with line drawings and tables exempt from
>limit).
>
>I confirmed with NIH regarding the Equipment and this is the response:
>For #10 Equipment, we assume that since this is included as part of the
>Project Narrative, the inclusion of it here as a separate attachment is
>not necessary?  Yes, you are correct.
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Research Administration List [mailto:xxxxxx@hrinet.org] On
>Behalf Of Charlie Hathaway
>Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:49 PM
>To: xxxxxx@hrinet.org
>Subject: Re: [RESADM-L] HELP! C06 QUESTION
>
>It was written (or indented) very poorly.
>
>Yes...all those sections are part of the 20 pages.  Only line drawings
>and REQUIRED tables, which will be within these sections, are not
>counted against the 20 pp total.
>
>At 12:35 PM 7/9/2009, you wrote:
> >Ok, we're putting together our C06 application and I have an
> >important formatting question:
> >In the "instructions", under Project Narrative, it states that the
> >Specific Aims, Background and Improvement Plans cannot exceed 20 pages.
> >However following that there are sections for Significance and Need,
> >Project Management and Institutional Commitment, Design
> >Considerations, Equipment and Project Timelines.  Are THESE sections
> >also part of the PROJECT NARRATIVE? And if so, then that would exceed
> >20 pages?  Or should they be loaded under Facilities and Other
> >Resources and Equipment sections of Research and Related Other
> >Project Information Form??
> >
> >THANKS!!!
> >
> >Matthew D. Katz, MHA
> >Assistant Vice President,
> >Sponsored Research and Contract Management Western University of
> >Health Sciences
> >309 E. 2nd Street
> >Pomona, CA  91766
> >(909) 469-5567
> >(909) 469-5569 FAX
> >
> >
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