Re: Grant or Contract????? Leerin Shields 27 Jun 2007 08:16 EST

Our determination is made by the type of prime award - in your example, Univ A would issue a subgrant to Univ B; if the prime was a contract, then it would be a subcontract.  There is also the question of how Univ A included Univ B in their application - were they included in the consortium category, or listed under consultant?

Our determination as to whether something is a subaward (of any mechanism) or a purchased service is first made by answering the following:  1) Is the subsite contributing to the science? 2) Will they wish to be included in publications?  Obviously these are over-simplified as well, but if there is a question of which category they fall in, those 2 questions make the first pass rather easy.

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>>> Susan Meslang <xxxxxx@TCC.EDU> 06/26/07 8:59 PM >>>
While your definitions are nice and clear - I find them difficult to
interpret. If University
A gets a grant and gets university B to develop the curriculum to meet
the purpose of the university A's grant - this is definitely procurement
of services yet it is certainly being done for a specific purpose or
outcome.

This is an overly simple example - but I would like to draw comments.
We have conflict when our Workforce Development division writes
curricula or provides a course to help meet the goals of a federal grant
awarded to another university. Should this be a contract? - or a
subaward - therefore handled as a grant by our college?

"If we knew what it was we were doing, It would not be research would
it?"
Albert Einstein

Susan W. Meslang
Director of Grants and Sponsored  Programs
Tidewater Community College
500 East Main Street
Norfolk VA 23510
P.O. Box 9000
Norfolk VA 23509
Office 757 822-1773
Cell 757 409-2887
Fax 757 822-1007
xxxxxx@tcc.edu

>>> Sandra Brenner Hill <xxxxxx@ANDREW.CMU.EDU> 05/10/07 10:02 AM >>>
I was always under the impression that it usually had more to do with
what
was being done with the funding rather than the funding mechanism

(through most announcements say the type of funding mechanism that
will
result)

A contract is procurement of goods(and or services)

A grant is work that is done for a specific purpose or outcome

A cooperative agreement is work that is being done for a specific
purpose or
outcome with the involvement of the sponsoring agency

Hope this helps clarify it for you

Sandy

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Subject: [RESADM-L] Grant or Contract?????

MY Question of the day - Is it a GRANT or is it a CONTRACT?

I'm looking for a definitive way to classify Federal Awards (and
federal
subawards) as either a Grant or a Contract.

Can the presence or absence of a CFDA classification be a deciding
factor?
Outside auditors say that there are Federal Grants that don't have CFDA
#s
so I shouldn't use that as a standard.  What method do you use to make
that
determination?

I am looking to the Teaming Millions in ResAdmin Land to help me see
the
light!

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