This doesn't all apply to us since he is talking about GrantSLam, but thought it would be interesting info for our project - see paragraph about S2S - and no institution being ready by 2nd quarter 06. - We'll almost be there!!!! Win Ann Robert Beattie wrote: > I am now in for some loose change too. > > 1. First, perhaps there are some misconceptions about GrantSlam. This > system was initially developed to allow PI/staff to produce paper > copies of the NIH 398 and other NIH applications. It was a single user > program and so was marketed directly to potential users. The users > entered data into the system which then created a very nice printed 398 > application for routing and approval within the university and sending > to NIH. Thus there are many users of this version around the country > > 2. In view of its success in the paper mode, Cayuse Software was > selected as one of 6 vendors to develop an electronic delivery system > for applications to NIH as part of the electronic Competing Grants > Application Process (eCGAP). We at Michigan wanted to participate in > this project so applied for a sub contract from Cayuse to test the > system by making submissions. Note that as part of its grant from NIH, > the company was to solicit testers for the system. To this end, using > NIH lists of grantees, they did send messages asking for people to test > the system. Testers would need to involve their grants office. We > obtained a sub contract and submitted about a dozen applications. > > 3. As part of the eCGAP development, the company was moving from a > client-server system to an open source fully web-based version that > would be much more flexible and might better meet the central > management needs of an institution. Then the eCGAP project was halted > and the NIH vendors were directed to work on solutions that linked to > Grants.gov and used the Form 424(R&R) wrapped around a Form 398. This > system would be grants office based and so direct solicitation of > faculty would not be useful. I suspect those who had successful > experiences with the paper GrantSlam program wanted to carry that over > to the electronic side of things. > > 4. Cayuse is now working on this new system to allow users to create > applications compatible with Grants.gov. The system is still being > built so I have not used it. I do know that the plan is to allow users > to open a file with the appropriate schema for the desired application > downloaded from Grants.gov. This can be done with mac or pc. Saved > data such as institutional information, PI profiles, and budgets can be > incorporated into the file. Unique information can be added and text > files converted to pdf and up-loaded. I have just completed the > conversion of a Grants.gov file to an NIH Commons version (helped a PI > with an STTR) and can say there is much tedious data entry and > opportunities for errors. I refer to NIH fatal errors that are not > revealed until the file reaches the NIH Commons. These must be > corrected prior to the final deadline. > > The complete file can then be printed if desired (not so with plain > Grants.gov file except section by section), or viewed, and approved > electronically by the appropriate officials and then submitted to > Grants.gov via an html stream ala the S2S procedure. This process > would be instead of requiring users to treat each application as a > unique task and route as a paper copy for approval to the grants office > which would then submit as is done now. I hope to know more about this > system and get a chance to test it. > > I know some grants office folks are nervous about waiting for something > that will not be ready until perhaps the early second quarter of 2006. > I doubt any school will have created its own system by then. One > advantage I think that comes from such a system is that it would work > for all sponsors who use Grants.gov. I certainly cannot vouch for it > now but do look forward to testing it. Grants.gov staff are very > sensitive to the Mac problem and hope to have it corrected soon. Even > if there is no platform problem, a G.g interface option might be > useful. In the past I have made objective appraisals of the eCGAP > system and will continue to do so for the Grants.govSlam product. So > more later, I hope. > > Bob > xxxxxx@umich.edu > > > > > On Dec 9, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Jon Hart wrote: > > I had to add my 2 cents on this. > About 50% of our faculty use MACs, and the PureEdge solution has them > ready > to take the grants.gov offices by storm (und drang). For this reason > (only) > we are going to have to have a solution apart from the PureEdge software, > which offers a MAC "fix" that is basically unworkable. We purchased > InfoEd's Proposal Development module some time ago (we use other > modules of > theirs) which is a web-based solution that will accept any platform > that can > mount a browser, which we hope will work for everyone until grants.gov > gets > their act in order -- if they ever do. Grants.gov has forced those of us > with substantial MAC communities to purchase third-party software, whether > InfoEd, GrantSlam (historically a good product, in my opinion), or other > vendors' programs. I think it unconscionable that our government has > put us > in this position to request federal assistance for important research, but > there you are (vent). > > Joni. > > > Jon Hart, M.P.A., C.I.P. > Senior Director > Office of Sponsored Programs Administration > Human Subjects Protections Program > The Rockefeller University > email: xxxxxx@mail.rockefeller.edu > Tel: (212) 327-8054; fax: (212) 327-8400 > > > > ====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > ====================================================================== > > > ====================================================================== > Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including > subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available > via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") > ====================================================================== ====================================================================== Instructions on how to use the RESADM-L Mailing List, including subscription information and a web-searchable archive, are available via our web site at http://www.hrinet.org (click on "Listserv Lists") ======================================================================
