Re: Lead Time for Your OSP? Bill Campbell 23 Sep 2005 12:52 EST

Charlie may be a voice of reason at his institution, but not at mine.  I
work at a PUI where the local culture did not include grant activity.
I've worked hard to to change that by being as helpful as I can,
including being nice to PI's who stop in my office on the way to the
post office and say, 'I'm about to submit this grant proposal, would you
like to see it?'

In short, I'm not a cop--if I were, our production would be far lower
than it is and I'd be out of a job by now.  Does that mean I never say
No?  Nope, I've rejected last-minute proposals that didn't have the
appropriate approvals. (I've also discouraged PI's whose proposals are
way off the mark, though I've learned the hard way not to tell them
we're not submitting; we won a very large grant once that I was sure had
no chance.)  My line is always 'I'll do whatever it takes to get sound,
competitive proposals out the door.'

Regards, Bill

Bill Campbell
Director, Grants & Research
University of Wisconsin-River Falls
410 S. 3rd St.
River Falls, WI 54022
715/425-3195
FAX 715/425-0649

Andrew M. Parkerson-Gray wrote:

> Thank you for your voice of reason Charlie!
>
> Charlie Hathaway wrote:
>
>> I disagree.  Cops exist for a reason.  So do we.  We generally limit
>> our justification for enforcement of strict internal submission
>> deadlines to 2 reasons.  The first, long-term protection of the
>> institution, is a great reason but under-appreciated by researchers.
>> The second, allowing research administrators to maintain their
>> sanity, is an OK reason but comes off as whining.
>>
>> But there is a third reason that is necessary to justify
>> enforcement:  that there is a direct relationship between lead time
>> and proposal success.   Unfortunately, no one has attempted to prove
>> that.   [And of course it might not be true despite the dreams of
>> grantsmanship teachers everywhere.]   Anyone care to track internal
>> lead-times and NIH priority scores for a year or two?   If done
>> right, it's a JAMA paper for sure.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> At 04:59 PM 9/22/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>> As my friend Phil says, "I love deadlines, I like the sound they
>>> make as they fly by."  If you are enforcing ANYTHING  you aren't
>>> doing your job.  We aren't cops.
>>>
>>> Spanky
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 03:11 PM 9/22/2005, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> As far as I can determine NOBODY NOWHERE is successful in enforcing
>>>> grant submission deadlines incorporating any kind of lead time.  It
>>>> is one thing to ask for certain lead times, and another thing
>>>> entirely to require it and enforce compliance.  I put a question
>>>> around a year ago (or so) to this discussion list about enforcing
>>>> lead times.  I'd be happy to send a copy of replies I received to
>>>> anyone who asks.
>>>>
>>>> John McCann, M.P.A., Ph.D.
>>>> Academic Grants Manager
>>>> The Evergreen State College
>>>> Olympia, WA 98505
>>>> Phone 360-867-6045
>>>> Fax 360-867-6745
>>>> E-Mail xxxxxx@evergreen.edu
>>>>
>>>>     -----Original Message-----     From: Research Administration
>>>> List [
>>>>     mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG]On <mailto:xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG%5DOn>
>>>>     Behalf Of Mike McCallister     Sent: Thursday, September 22,
>>>> 2005 11:18 AM     To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG     Subject: Re:
>>>> [RESADM-L] Lead Time for Your OSP?
>>>>
>>>>     We laugh at both the idea of a requirement and the wild
>>>>     possibility that faculty will pay attention to it.  I'm pleased
>>>>     to get 24 hours, shocked at 36,
>>>>     Spanky
>>>>
>>>>     At 12:48 PM 9/22/2005, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>         Hello all,
>>>>>         This is just an informal poll to see how much lead time
>>>>>         your sponsored programs office requires to review a
>>>>>         proposal. We ask for 5 business days to allow for the
>>>>>         proposal load, corrections, major problems, etc. We also
>>>>>         want the final draft, not rough drafts unless we had
>>>>>         arranged to help review and edit those ahead of time. What
>>>>>         does your OSP do?
>>>>>         Thanks,         Andrew
>>>>>         ========================================         Andrew M.
>>>>> Parkerson-Gray, CRA         Senior Pre-Award Administrator
>>>>> UAF Office of Sponsored Programs         909 N. Koyukuk Drive /
>>>>> P.O. Box 757270         West Ridge Research Building, Suite 212F
>>>>>         Fairbanks, AK 99775-7270
>>>>>         Phone:  (907) 474-1851         Fax:    (907) 474-5444
>>>>>         E-mail: xxxxxx@uaf.edu         Web:
>>>>> http://www.uaf.edu/osp/
>>>>> ========================================
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>     Mike McCallister, Ph.D.     Office of Research and Sponsored
>>>> Programs     University of Arkansas at Little Rock     2801 South
>>>> University     Little Rock, AR  72204-1099
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>>>> 501-371-7614                                           Sherlock
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>>> Mike McCallister, Ph.D.
>>> Office of Research and Sponsored Programs
>>> University of Arkansas at Little Rock
>>> 2801 South University
>>> Little Rock, AR  72204-1099
>>>
>>> (o) 501-569-8474                     The work itself, the pleasure
>>> of finding a field
>>> (c) 501-590-5609                      for my peculiar powers, is my
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>>> 501-371-7614                                       Sherlock Holmes
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