Re: e-GAPS James R. Brett 15 Mar 2000 12:28 EST

Rebecca,

I think that to emulate Fastlane, the "Application Manager" must be the person
who submits.  You may not want to emulate Fastlane, however.

It bothers me that eGAPS thinks they can prevent "innocent faculty" from making
the mistake of submitting without authorization by the simple expedient of
"warnings" at the last minute on the last screen!  The warnings on cigarette
packages don't seem to have much effect, why would these?  RED warnings have not
prevented most of us from printing out misspelled words from our wordprocessing
programs.  The sad truth is that we tend to ignore things like this, especially
when it is obvious that the authorized representative has gone home for the
weekend and the deadline is midnight.

In fact the eGAPS and Army and DoJ systems are poorly thought out and fail to
recognize that the preponderance of applications in research and development are
not from individuals but from institutions which provide the personnel and
physical resources for the accomplishment of the projects.

Jim

"Puig, Rebecca" wrote:

> I just reviewed the E-Gaps website and there appears to be two levels of
> administration.  The first being the "Application Manager", which would
> logically equate to the Principle Investigator.  Second, the "Submit"
> person.  They ask for separate information for the person who actually
> submit's the proposal and that person must be a Authorized Representative of
> the institution.
>
> I agree that there appears to be no checks and balances as to whether or not
> this person is really an "Authorized Rep", but at least it would put a
> second name to the approval (a partner in crime, sort to speak).
>
> What do you think?
>
> Rebecca K. Puig
> Division of Sponsored Research
> University of South Florida
> 4202 East Fowler Avenue, FAO 126
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy Peterson [mailto:xxxxxx@WINONA.MSUS.EDU]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:58 AM
> To: xxxxxx@HRINET.ORG
> Subject: Re: e-GAPS
>
> I know several of the RESADM people have contacted the Education Department
> about e-gaps.   The responses we received have been less than satisfactory.
> They say they can't use a system like NSF's Fastlane because they have
> applicants from numerous organizations that don't hve anything like an SRO
> to coordinate submissions.  And they say they can't impose any ADDITIONAL
> requirements in their electronic application process that are not part of
> their hard copy application process (which makes no sense to me -- since
> hard copies require signatures as proof of institutional approval).
>
> My Academic Vice President has told his Deans that if any faculty member
> submits a proposal without advance approval, it will be turned down.  (A
> gentleman I spoke to in Arkansas said his institution did this with a very
> large award that many faculty knew about.  He said they have not had a
> problem since then.)
>
> Unfortunately, it may take drastic measures such as turning down awards to
> have an impact on e-gaps.  Until the Education Department is swamped with
> numerous garbage-quality proposals, and finds itself committing time and
> resources to processing and budgeting for proposals that are going to be
> turned down, it seems bound and determined to not re-consider its position.
>
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> Winona State University
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> I have just finished reading about the US Dept. of Ed's e-GAPS
> system in response to an inquiry from a PI who plans to submit
> two proposals electronically in April.  My review of the Web
> site and documentation indicates there is no institutional
> blessing required, just the assumption that the PI got it before
> hitting the electronic send button.  I'm not excited about this
> one!!
>
> Would anyone who has had previous experience with the system
> provide me with guidance, insights, concerns either by e-mail or
> by phone?  I am supposed to discuss the system with my PI later
> this afternoon.
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Charna
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